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Kevin23
07-05-2010, 06:46 PM
Moderator's Note

This thread was entitled 'Lockerbie Bomber Could Live Another 10 Years' and the thread was closed in May 2012 after the death in Libya of Adelbert Ali Mohmed al-Megrahi. Today I have reopened the thread as yet again the "finger of suspicion" is pointed away from Libya - see Post 17 and so have renamed the thread 'Lockerbie: an open or closed crime?' (ends).


According to a recent review which could be somewhat embarrassing for both the British government and the devolved government in Scotland. Convicted Lockerbie bomber Adelbert Ali Mohmed al-Megrahi could live up to 10 more years despite earlier known claims to the contrary by the Libyan Government and the British medical doctor who took up his case.

http://www.aolnews.com/world/article/lockerbie-bomgber-abdelbaset-ali-mohmed-al-megrahi-could-live-10-more-years/19541876

JMA
07-05-2010, 07:25 PM
According to a recent review which could be somewhat embarrassing for both the British government and the devolved government in Scotland. Convicted Lockerbie bomber Adelbert Ali Mohmed al-Megrahi could live up to 10 more years despite earlier known claims to the contrary by the Libyan Government and the British medical doctor who took up his case.

http://www.aolnews.com/world/article/lockerbie-bomgber-abdelbaset-ali-mohmed-al-megrahi-could-live-10-more-years/19541876

You didn't really believe what the Brits said at the time of release, did you?

Kevin23
07-06-2010, 02:50 AM
You didn't really believe what the Brits said at the time of release, did you?

What exactly do you mean?

If you're implying that the then Brown Government ok'ed the compassionate release to improve the chances of British companies doing business with Libya then I honestly don't know.

Red Rat
07-06-2010, 12:40 PM
with up close knowledge of how the previous regime worked, and of the Scottish Executive, I prefer the incompetence theory as opposed to conspiracy! ;)

Kevin23
07-06-2010, 08:54 PM
with up close knowledge of how the previous regime worked, and of the Scottish Executive, I prefer the incompetence theory as opposed to conspiracy! ;)

That's pretty much my feeling also,

However, I thought JMA was implying that there was more to this story then met the eye.

JMA
07-15-2010, 07:30 PM
That's pretty much my feeling also,

However, I thought JMA was implying that there was more to this story then met the eye.

Of course there is, there always is...

US senators demand BP records on Libya lobbying (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/7892770/US-senators-demand-BP-records-on-Libya-lobbying.html)

Don't you just love Charles Schumer? Saw him on TV saying that if anyone believes that al-Megrahi's release followed by BP's oil deal with Libya is a coincidence then he has a bridge in Brooklyn to sell them. Priceless.

davidbfpo
07-17-2010, 10:39 AM
This story is immaculately timed, note it appears to be from a Libyan source and concerns a private visit by a UK politician much admired in the USA. Makes one pause for thought, not only what happened, but who is involved.


Tony Blair visited Libya last month and met Colonel Muammar Gaddafi just days after denying he was an adviser to the country, it was disclosed last night.

Link:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/7895997/Tony-Blair-met-Colonel-Gaddafi-in-Libya-last-month.html

Now will the US Congressional enquiry ask him to appear to give evidence? The Scotsman today had a story that the Scottish minister responsible might be called:http://www.scotsman.com/news/MacAskill-could-be-summoned-to.6425434.jp

Kevin23
07-28-2010, 04:07 PM
This story is immaculately timed, note it appears to be from a Libyan source and concerns a private visit by a UK politician much admired in the USA. Makes one pause for thought, not only what happened, but who is involved.



Link:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/7895997/Tony-Blair-met-Colonel-Gaddafi-in-Libya-last-month.html

Now will the US Congressional enquiry ask him to appear to give evidence? The Scotsman today had a story that the Scottish minister responsible might be called:http://www.scotsman.com/news/MacAskill-could-be-summoned-to.6425434.jp

The Senate has postponed hearings into al-Megrahi's release, due to the refusal of a number of British witnesses to testify.


http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=4&ved=0CDcQqQIwAw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bbc.co.uk%2Fnews%2Fuk-scotland-10787262&ei=_lRQTI22C8O88gb7kNiZAQ&usg=AFQjCNFiFB74uBEgBHOlE5I3PZ_yzm5KHg&sig2=ZT8QY5i5GNFpnYOLd4mGQw

Ken White
07-28-2010, 06:31 PM
They could better worry about their own dysfunction than putter about in the affairs of other Nations. This one is almost as bad as then Senator John Warner threatening to subpoena -- not call, not ask, subpoena -- General
Sir Michael Jackson to testify on his supposed 'insubordination' to that twink Wesley Clark. Sheesh.

JMA
07-29-2010, 07:59 AM
They could better worry about their own dysfunction than putter about in the affairs of other Nations. This one is almost as bad as then Senator John Warner threatening to subpoena -- not call, not ask, subpoena -- General
Sir Michael Jackson to testify on his supposed 'insubordination' to that twink Wesley Clark. Sheesh.

Not quite Ken, the Brits deserve to have their chain jerked from time to time. I watch bits and pieces of the Iraq Inquiry (http://www.iraqinquiry.org.uk/) the Brits are holding and I must say that Jackson comes across as pompous, arrogant prat. No wonder the Brit army is on the brink...

But I do agree that the US Senate should be holding hearings on really important stuff... like how Afghanistan was allowed to become a narco state. But then that would be a little too close to home.

As to the Pristina Airport incident. I don't think they should be looking at a charge of insubordination but rather one of cowardice. It also brings into question this whole "red card" thing and how its use can screw up things in a shooting war.

Ken White
07-29-2010, 01:03 PM
but none of them are germane to this thread. Go pick nits elsewhere. :D

JMA
07-31-2010, 08:52 AM
but none of them are germane to this thread. Go pick nits elsewhere. :D

Germane none the less.

davidbfpo
02-14-2011, 08:25 AM
Elsewhere the twists of the Lockerbie bomber's release have been reported and appear to confirm how devious the release was.

In a twist the high morale ground taken by the USA appears to have a problem, based on a short UK press story:
A terrorist who was jailed for founding a training camp where the leader of the July 7 London suicide bombers were taught to make bombs has been released from prison after serving less than five years, it was claimed.

Link:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/8322346/Terrorist-who-trained-77-bomber-released-after-five-years.html

There is a far longer report in The Guardian:http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/feb/14/al-qaida-supergrass-77-questions

carl
02-14-2011, 06:38 PM
In a twist the high morale ground taken by the USA appears to have a problem, based on a short UK press story:

Disappointing, but no surprise from the people who gave us the saga of the FBI and Whitey Bulger.

bourbon
02-14-2011, 11:00 PM
In a twist the high morale ground taken by the USA appears to have a problem
At the official level I donít think it was taking a moral high ground, in as much as it was maintaining the lie that Libya was responsible for Lockerbie.

davidbfpo
05-24-2012, 08:53 PM
After a delay Adelbert Ali Mohmed al-Megrahi died on the 20th May 2012 and the whole issue of who was responsible remains. For a host of reasons officialdom wants this to simply go away.

Via this article:http://www.opendemocracy.net/paul-rogers/pan-am-103-libya-and-case-unclosed is another, behind a pay-wall alas:http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/14751798.2011.632245

davidbfpo
03-11-2014, 11:54 PM
This evening AJ broadcast a new investigation documentary 'Lockerbie: What Really Happened?', which I missed being at a WW1 history lecture and so rely on a long report in the Daily Telegraph:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/10688179/Lockerbie-bombing-are-these-the-men-who-really-brought-down-Pan-Am-103.html