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tequila
05-15-2007, 09:56 AM
Maybe it's just me, but I found the whining (http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington//17225907.htm?template=contentModules/printstory.jsp)in this piece somewhat amazing. Are these people unfamiliar with the concept of "war zone"? Some of the problems with PRT staffing come into better light, perhaps?


U.S. Embassy employees in Iraq are growing increasingly angry over what they say are inadequate security precautions in the heavily fortified Green Zone, where recent mortar and rocket attacks have claimed the lives of six people, including two U.S. citizens.

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One of the U.S. officials expressed anger that embassy employees were told not to talk to reporters.

"They want to say everything is fine. But if I'm asked I'm not going to lie," he said. "It's my life and it would be my grave and it would be my body flying back to my family."

Stan
05-15-2007, 12:14 PM
Nice post Tequila !


n spite of the attacks, embassy employees complain, most staff members still sleep in trailers that one described as "tin cans" that offer virtually no protection from rocket and mortar fire. The government has refused to harden the roofs because of the cost, one employee said.

At least they have sandbags. My last embassy assignment they bitched about light deprivation and all ended up with 'happy lights' on the USG tab. Now these folks want to sleep in hardened bunkers. Go figure. Will they get happy lights down there in those unfavorable environmental conditions? Maybe we could pump fresh air in. FYI, When it comes to the Embassy supporting ‘other-than-State’ employees in country (read the US Military), nothing is funded. Time to suck it up !


Embassy employees have been ordered not to talk about security concerns or precautions with reporters, but three State Department employees in Baghdad discussed the issue with McClatchy Newspapers. All three asked not to be identified for fear that they'd lose their jobs.


Hello ! When you enter into certain occupations, whether it be in government, law, military, etc., you DO sacrifice certain freedom of speech rights. That's been true of any military of any age, including American ones. Welcome aboard :D


Unlike the U.S. military, U.S. Embassy employees are volunteers and can ask to leave if they feel unsafe at any time.

And that they know how to do extremely well.


"I can't sleep, I can't eat," another official said. "My life should be worth more than achieving this government's agenda."

Jeez, this is truly upsetting. Didn't he get a contract when he joined State :eek:


Two of the people who spoke with McClatchy said the conditions also have affected experienced diplomats' willingness to serve in Baghdad and that the holes are being filled by young and inexperienced volunteers and contractors.

Hmmm, the slots in Paris and Vienna must be taken :cool:

John T. Fishel
05-15-2007, 12:23 PM
This one reminds me of Panama in 1987 and 1988. BTW, all US military (as we all know) are volunteers and FSOs can be ordered to take a post involuntarily if there are not enough volunteers. Still, far too many DOS employees are, in fact, whiners.

Jimbo
05-15-2007, 01:21 PM
DoS whines more than anyhting I have seen in my life.

Stan
05-15-2007, 01:31 PM
Hi John !
Good point, but his/her statement is fairly clear among other things:


"I can't shake my fist at Uncle Sam and say, `Why am I here?'" one official said. "We're all volunteers."


This one reminds me of Panama in 1987 and 1988. BTW, all US military (as we all know) are volunteers and FSOs can be ordered to take a post involuntarily if there are not enough volunteers. Still, far too many DOS employees are, in fact, whiners.

sullygoarmy
05-15-2007, 02:12 PM
I was at the Embassy in March when the attacks started to pick up again. A rocket landed right at the fountain in front of the palace. We came back from Adnon Palace and the area was taped off with a bunch of pogues taking pictures of the crater to send back home!

When you are still having pool parties, "Baghdad Idol" and selling embassy t-shirts at the pool, its no wonder that people are getting killed in the attacks. As must as I hate to say it, on one hand the attacks on the green zone are a good reminder what those troops are experiencing every day. I cannot imagine the complaining going on by the civilians that they have to wear body armor and a kevlar when outside. Again, guess what our troops do nearly every day.

Thanks for the article. I sent it to two buddies TDY over in the palace. They'll get a good laugh out of it I'm sure!

Steve Blair
05-15-2007, 02:18 PM
They remind me of "combat correspondents" who whine whey they get shot at...

MASON
05-15-2007, 02:52 PM
If we do not listen we should not be surprized at inadequate results.

The DOS guys are saying (though admittedly in a whine) that the lack of security is affecting their performance and staff quality. And if you want better work from them someone needs to address at least some of these issues. Commitment, Cash, and Good People is more likely to get better results. Hardly a unique sentiment in American government service.

Finding people who will actually do all they can with all that they have in difficult circumstances is an unfortunately rare commodity.:cool:

Tom Odom
05-15-2007, 04:02 PM
I am reminded of Women are from Venus, Men are from Mars as applied to the embassies in Kinshasa and Kigali. Kinshasa practiced whining as an art form; the lead item in every country team meeting, regardless of circumstances centered on ways to increase COLA or hardship pay or both. Kigali was just the opposite; we bunked in embassy offices or in embassy housing without regards to the niceties of life. We reopened the club but did so in a way to serve the entire international community. The difference between the two places was leadership.

I would say that applies in Baghdad as well; senior leaders in State, USAID, and other agencies need themselves to get out there and spend some time on the ground, as in days and weeks, not high profile it for a couple of hours and back on the jet.

Tom

Ironhorse
05-15-2007, 05:02 PM
If we do not listen we should not be surprized at inadequate results.

The DOS guys are saying (though admittedly in a whine) that the lack of security is affecting their performance and staff quality. And if you want better work from them someone needs to address at least some of these issues. Commitment, Cash, and Good People is more likely to get better results. Hardly a unique sentiment in American government service.

Finding people who will actually do all they can with all that they have in difficult circumstances is an unfortunately rare commodity.:cool:

Superb point, Mason. But I do think there is a lot of selectivity on which of the "some of these issues" need to get addressed. Maybe some of the ones you're thinking about. Certainly not some of the ones you are likely to hear from high on the wish list of many of the whiners.

The lack of security is affecting EVERYONE'S performance. But we do have the chicken and the egg issue where a lot of things that the non-military departments are "responsible" for are essential to the presence of enough security. It is not a military horse bringing up the security cart. Foreign "Service" and Government "Service" need to have a little more Service, and a little less sense of Entitlement in them.

I do not go completely for the "get hard and stop your snivelling" line. There is a certain special privilege of suffering and roughing it that comes along with the military. I do not think the pol/econ guys should be manning the MG team in their off duty hours. But I can not tolerate the self-righteous sense of entitlement that comes with most OCONUS government employees, Foreign Service and otherwise. They can sure as hell bunk up as in Tom's Kigali example.

While there are examples to the contrary on either end, I think the expectations that many of us have of the good NGOs should hold more sway for our expectations of our non-military government. We are less likely to fault MSF, CARE or Red Cross for pulling out of a hairy security situation, I think in part because when they do roll back in they're willing to take a few incoming rounds, be alone and unafraid, do their good work, and most significantly to rough it a bit. You know, without putting in a work request to the GSO to have the refirgerator shelves adjusted, or an absurd COLA and snivelling about the drapes on a 60 day tour with a 50&#37; differential/hazard pay.

tequila
05-16-2007, 08:47 AM
World's Biggest Embassy May Not Be Big Enough (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/05/15/AR2007051502027_pf.html) - Washington Post.



For all those who keep whining about how the government can't do anything right, we're happy to report that the massive New Embassy Compound in Baghdad, the biggest U.S. embassy on earth, is going to be completed pretty much as scheduled in August.

The bad news is that it appears it's not going to have enough housing for all the employees who'll be moving to the 27-building complex on a 104-acre tract of land -- about the size of the Vatican, two-thirds the size of the Mall -- within the Green Zone ...

There are 1,000 Americans working at the embassy, and Crocker is looking to downsize, but we hear he's having trouble finding even 100 to toss overboard. Also, there are about 200 non-U.S. workers brought in from around the region who are replacing Iraqi staff because it is too dangerous for the Iraqis, who live outside the fortified Green Zone, to work for Americans ...

Crocker's home in the NEC -- which one source said was about 16,000 square feet -- is expected to be ready. Ditto deputy chief of mission Daniel Speckhard's cottage, which is a cozy 9,500 square feet. In addition to office buildings, the complex, located on the banks of the Tigris River, will have a pool and gym and a 17,000-square-foot commissary and food court building.

The NEC will also have its own water supply, power plant and waste-treatment facility so it doesn't have to rely on the Iraqis for essential services.

All this for only $592 million. Well, that was the original price tag.

MASON
05-16-2007, 01:13 PM
Tom nailed it

It is leadership!

I really think the high rotation rate of personel in and out of theatre hurts us more than we know and more than we want to admit. Particularly in the leadership area but it is true across the spectrum of assignments. The arbitrary rotation of leaders and their staff preclude maximizing good leaderships effect on the out come. Experience is spread so thin across the force its effect is minimized. Effectively you end up with a 7 month or 1 year force, Not a force designed to face an adaptive enemy over a 7 or 10 year conflict with a politically defined end of one sides capitulation.


One of the jobs of leaders is to sort out the real issues from the whiny noise and clarify for people he or she leads and for those that support them what must be done to complete particular missions and in the longer term what will succeed in campaigns.

Effectively people are sent on limited missions and the leadership defining the campaigns are retiring or are reassigned according to an arbitrary schedules. The long term results are unfortunately mediocre and predictable. Nothing decisive Politically or Militarily is achieved.

marct
05-16-2007, 01:20 PM
Hi Tequila,


World's Biggest Embassy May Not Be Big Enough (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/05/15/AR2007051502027_pf.html) - Washington Post.

I have to wonder if anyone else has noticed the similarity between this homely little embassy and some of Saddam's constructions? Not that anyone would ever equate the two...:eek:

Marc

Ps. I don't suppose that AQ influenced the design? Nah, not possible....

sullygoarmy
05-16-2007, 01:27 PM
I flew over the NEC back in March on my way to Victory from the IZ. Still going to be a HPT for insurgent mortars/rockets just like the embassy compound is. Here are two pics from our helicopter as we flew by. The first is of the actual compound, the second of the contractor living area working on the NEC.

MASON
05-16-2007, 02:02 PM
Response to last Iron horse post

In certain organizations there are things acceptable to complain about like things which are the understood responsibility of another organization. When the volume goes up though I wonder if the problem is actually an internal issue which will have repercussions if said out loud.


Just a thought

goesh
05-16-2007, 02:24 PM
16K sq. feet of living space for the boss and 9.5k for the XO ??? Hmmm, Marc's query rings a bell with me