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SWJED
07-25-2007, 09:30 AM
25 July Washington Post commentary - The Price Of Peace In Uganda (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/07/24/AR2007072401852.html) by Michael Gerson.


Across Sudan, northern Uganda and eastern Congo, many have lived in the shadow of violence for decades. A brutal few are loyal to the darkness...

Many of the boys in the settlement had been kidnapped by the LRA and trained as soldiers -- forced, I was told, to do "terrible things" such as murdering neighbors in their home villages so the boys could never return. One of the former child soldiers I met was about 16. When the leader of the LRA, a messianic madman named Joseph Kony, visited his prisoners, all were forced to prostrate themselves -- but this young man looked up in curiosity, and one of his eyes was gouged out.

The man he briefly glimpsed is a cunning thug with a touch of insanity -- a man, in Joseph Conrad's phrase, of "gratified and monstrous passions." Kony takes kidnapped sex slaves for wives, is prone to trances and visions, and claims he can turn bullets into water. His proven skill is turning children into killers, who intimidate villagers by cutting off lips, ears and noses.

But Kony's forces, under military pressure, have retreated to the remoteness of the Garamba National Park in the Democratic Republic of the Congo. Northern Uganda has experienced a year of relative peace, and many displaced villagers are returning to their homes. With African mediation, Uganda and the LRA are engaged in peace talks that have reported incremental progress. Kony has a history of sabotaging talks with unreasonable demands, but there is hope that a cornered LRA might eventually take a deal and lay down its arms...

Tom Odom
07-25-2007, 12:32 PM
Second, the military pressure must continue. Garamba Park may sound like a destination for adventure tourism. It is actually a haven for some of the worst killers on Earth -- first the Hutu authors of the Rwandan genocide and now the LRA. LRA forces are planting crops and digging for resources. There are rumors that they may be rearming, with supplies coming by air from Eritrea or their traditional allies in Khartoum. And the more secure and confident the LRA becomes, the less likely it is to disband.

If ever the Air Force wanted a target for "COIN" this would be my nomination--but only if they used napalm, white phosporus, and a series of MOABs to blow out the fires when they were done. The LRA as well as the Hutu militias have only one proper place in this world: fertilizer.

Tom

Tom Odom
11-05-2008, 05:31 PM
From the horse's mouth, Yoweri Museveni on Uganda the Strategy of Protracted Peoples War. It is interesting as Paul Kagame and some other folks I know were part of all of this and Museveni succeeded because of that role.


Uganda the Strategy of Protracted Peoples War. (http://usacac.army.mil/CAC2/MilitaryReview/repository/MilitaryReview_200812310001-MD.xml)
The genesis of my coming here was a few months ago. I had come
here to attend the graduation of my son, who was a student here. now,
Lieutenant General Caldwell invited me for lunch. When we were having
lunch, the audience around the table—the American audience—were very
curious about Uganda’s history. Then I said, “By the way, if you are interested, I could come back to Leavenworth when I come back for the United Nations General Assembly,” because i normally come to the United Nations—not always to do so much useful work there—but to put in an appearance for whatever it is worth. Now since I come all the way to do not so useful work in the United Nations, I told the general that I could come two more hours here and i would come and share Uganda’s history with you.

Rex Brynen
12-21-2008, 03:56 PM
Uganda 'strikes LRA rebel camps' (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7794399.stm)
BBC News, Sunday, 21 December 2008


The Ugandan government says it has destroyed more than 70% of camps run by Lord's Resistance Army rebels in a remote region of northern DR Congo.

A joint offensive was launched by Ugandan, Southern Sudanese and Congolese forces against the rebels in mid-December, after peace talks failed.

Looks like Tom got some of his wish on the use of COIN airpower too:


The BBC's Martin Plaut says that as jets went overhead to bomb the LRA camps, local people in the Congolese town of Duru came out and cheered.

Tom Odom
12-21-2008, 05:31 PM
Looks like Tom got some of his wish on the use of COIN airpower too:



Quote:
The BBC's Martin Plaut says that as jets went overhead to bomb the LRA camps, local people in the Congolese town of Duru came out and cheered.

Get some!

davidbfpo
12-21-2008, 09:50 PM
The Economist takes a broader view, with a sting at the end: http://www.economist.com/world/mideast-africa/displayStory.cfm?story_id=12821574&source=hptextfeature

Personally action against the LRA is long overdue, so press on. There was a dreadful BBC documentary on the impact on children in Northern Uganada, possibly a year plus ago.

davidbfpo

Tom Odom
12-22-2008, 02:19 PM
Uganda’s president, Yoweri Museveni, promised direct talks with Mr Kony last week, even as he signed off on military action to kill him.

he is following one of my own lessons learned from Rwanda :D


8. (http://smallwarsjournal.com/documents/swjmag/v5/odom.htm)Keep talking to your enemies until you have to kill them. They might be civilians at heart.

tequila
12-22-2008, 04:11 PM
ICG emphasizes the fractured nature of the LRA as well as its increasingly Sudanese "membership" due to its extended sojourn there after being largely expelled from northern Uganda. Also emphasizes how Kony is becoming increasingly irrelevant.

Northern Uganda: The Road to Peace With or Without Kony (http://www.crisisgroup.org/home/index.cfm?id=5804&l=1)

Harry Phillips
12-30-2008, 04:38 PM
From the BBC...other media outlets reporting on this as well. H.


"Uganda's army has accused the Lord's Resistance Army rebels of hacking to death 45 civilians in a Catholic church in the Democratic Republic of Congo.

Capt Chris Magezi said the scene was "horrendous... dead bodies of mostly women and children cut in pieces". The attack happened on 26 December. "

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7802804.stm

Also see: Night Commuters http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/spl/hi/picture_gallery/05/africa_night_commuters/html/1.stm

davidbfpo
01-02-2009, 10:02 PM
Alas a report that the LRA survive to kill another day: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/democraticrepublicofcongo/4076656/Uganda-rebels-kill-500-in-DR-Congo.html

davidbfpo

davidbfpo
01-09-2009, 11:00 PM
The Washington Post has this: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/01/justice_for_a_mass_murderer.html

Michael Gerson, the author, has written before on the LRA. No substantial new details on the recent operation, although note the bad weather factor, but IMHO gives the LRA issue a wider hearing.

davidbfpo

davidbfpo
02-09-2009, 10:37 PM
An article that comments on many aspects of US policy in Africa, especially AFRICOM's support for Ugandan action against the Lord's Resistance Army (so appears in the AFRICOM thread too): http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/stevecoll/

davidbfpo

AdamG
07-12-2010, 03:26 AM
Ugandan police say bomb attacks killed at least 40 people late Sunday at two sites in the capital, Kampala, where people were gathered to watch the World Cup.

http://www1.voanews.com/english/news/africa/At-Least-23-Killed-in-Uganda-Blasts-98207324.html

Kevin23
07-12-2010, 03:45 AM
64 people(including an American) mainly in bars, and restaurants in Uganda's capital of Kampala on Sunday. The main suspect thus far is the Al-Shabab of Somalia, who are believed by Ugandan authorities to have targeted the country due to Uganda's presence in the peacekeeping operation in Somalia

Here is the link,

http://www.aolnews.com/world/article/dozens-killed-in-bomb-attacks-in-uganda/19549841

carl
07-12-2010, 03:47 AM
Bombs went off in Kampala targeting people watching the World Cup at two establishments. AP reports 64 killed.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/A/AF_UGANDA_EXPLOSIONS?SITE=KMOV&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

I guess this will focus more of our attention on Africa. Very sad.

AdamG
07-12-2010, 04:31 PM
For some backstory, see also
http://council.smallwarsjournal.com/showpost.php?p=99369&postcount=12
and subsequent posts.

Rex Brynen
07-12-2010, 05:45 PM
The main suspect thus far is the Al-Shabab of Somalia, who are believed by Ugandan authorities to have targeted the country due to Uganda's presence in the peacekeeping operation in Somalia

...nor, of course, is there much "peace" to keep in Somalia. AMISOM has often been involved in combat operations, and without it there would be little chance that the Somali Transitional Federal Government could retain control over its little slice of Mogadishu.

The Ugandan contingent (c2,700) has lost more than two dozen killed since 2007, as has the similar-sized contingent from Burundi--a higher rate of loss than that of US/ISAF forces in Afghanistan.

Kevin23
07-12-2010, 07:37 PM
...nor, of course, is there much "peace" to keep in Somalia. AMISOM has often been involved in combat operations, and without it there would be little chance that the Somali Transitional Federal Government could retain control over its little slice of Mogadishu.

The Ugandan contingent (c2,700) has lost more than two dozen killed since 2007, as has the similar-sized contingent from Burundi--a higher rate of loss than that of US/ISAF forces in Afghanistan.

Hmmm,

I wonder if this action by Al-Shabab in Uganda and any potential ensuing acts in the country or in participating AMISOM nations, will eventually force governments like that of Uganda to withdraw what forces they have from participation in the mission?

Rex Brynen
07-12-2010, 07:52 PM
I wonder if this action by Al-Shabab in Uganda and any potential ensuing acts in the country or in participating AMISOM nations, will eventually force governments like that of Uganda to withdraw what forces they have from participation in the mission?

I suspect that the bigger factor will be the situation in Mogadishu, where the fighting has been fairly intense in recent days (http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5g2uaFtqFV1c2vznxakh7oGP-7z9A).

IGAD has pledged 2,000 more troops for AMISOM (http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hvJv3reg2E5mOaGC1hsYXOp-fc2A), although it isn't clear who will provide them. Interestingly, the Ugandans have been asking for a relaxation in the RoE so that they can go after al-Shabaab more assertively.

If the Ugandans feel, however, that AMISOM (and the TFG) are a lost cause, and that they're fighting and dying for no discernable reason, that might cause them to reconsider the mission.

Of course, the key Ugandan role in AMISOM explains why they might have been a target for the bombings (with the caveat that one should never automatically believe immediate claims of responsibility for these things).

http://www.somaliweyn.org/pages/news/July_09/Sawiro/AMISOM4.jpg
Pic: Ugandan forces, AMISOM

M-A Lagrange
07-14-2010, 11:53 AM
Rex,

The question is who if the african are not doing the job?

That's all the strategy now. African powers want to show they are capable to take care of Africa and Western powers do not want to get directly involved.
So either we leave the place to China....:D
Or we train guys to do the job. The last question being: what do we do with them once the job is done...:rolleyes:

JMA
07-15-2010, 07:49 PM
Rex,

The question is who if the african are not doing the job?

That's all the strategy now. African powers want to show they are capable to take care of Africa and Western powers do not want to get directly involved.
So either we leave the place to China....:D
Or we train guys to do the job. The last question being: what do we do with them once the job is done...:rolleyes:

I'm not sure that even with a relaxing of the ROE the Ugandan army will be able to take Shabab on tactically man for man. I think their position that they will send another 2,000 troops if the ROE are relaxed is the first statement in a process where they will say "because you won't relax the ROE we will not be sending the additional 2,000 troops and and also we will withdraw the 2,700 odd troops we already have there... unless you make it worth our while to leave them there" ;)

Who is going to train these troops and for how long?

Rex Brynen
07-15-2010, 10:27 PM
I'm not sure that even with a relaxing of the ROE the Ugandan army will be able to take Shabab on tactically man for man.

Tactically, man-for-man, the Shabab are actually mind-numbingly incompetent, with rare exceptions. Their loss rates against the Ugandans often appear to be quite high, even within constrained ROE, and what casualties they have inflicted have generally been with IEDs or shoot-and-scoot mortar attacks not in direct firefights.

The TFG, sadly, are even more mind-numbingly incompetent.

That being said, it is hard to see how even a trebling of the AMISOM mission would fundamentally change the dynamics in Somalia. Outcomes are less a product of military force than shifting clan and political alliances.

Rex Brynen
07-16-2010, 02:11 AM
It would seem that Uganda is responding to the attack by increasing the size of its AMISOM contingent (http://english.aljazeera.net/video/asia/2010/07/201071585533445121.html), as well as renewing its call for more relaxed ROEs (http://af.reuters.com/article/kenyaNews/idAFLDE66E1C720100715?pageNumber=3&virtualBrandChannel=0&sp=true).

The US has also pledged to increase (training, logistical, and other) support (http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hooR22QfaxdVWyK7At3TZQc3tjtA).

JMA
07-16-2010, 12:55 PM
Tactically, man-for-man, the Shabab are actually mind-numbingly incompetent, with rare exceptions. Their loss rates against the Ugandans often appear to be quite high, even within constrained ROE, and what casualties they have inflicted have generally been with IEDs or shoot-and-scoot mortar attacks not in direct firefights.

The TFG, sadly, are even more mind-numbingly incompetent.

That being said, it is hard to see how even a trebling of the AMISOM mission would fundamentally change the dynamics in Somalia. Outcomes are less a product of military force than shifting clan and political alliances.

I hear what you say.

If you have been following other threads where I post you may have seen that I am a great believer in using local forces to do the fighting rather than bring in raw, fresh, ignorant foreigners for that purpose. At the moment in Afghanistan there is no choice but... in Somalia maybe there is a better way.

My comment on the Ugandan army is based on their inability in their own country to deal with LRA which apparently comprises a majority of child soldiers.

Let me start with making the assumption that both Shabab and the TGF draw their forces from the same population with differences in clan and whatever.

While I appreciate that motivation is 9 tenths of the matter would an investment into training the TGF troops not provide a better return on investment rather than bring in "foreign Christians" from Uganda to try to do the job?

There are a number of options as to how this training may be approached and I am wondering what if anything along these lines has be attempted?

davidbfpo
07-16-2010, 09:35 PM
Always worth a read Leah Farrell from Australia:http://allthingsct.wordpress.com/2010/07/13/thoughts-on-the-attacks-in-uganda/


So…. if my speculation pans out, what can we expect to see??

Well, first a polished al-Shabab propaganda video, referencing the attacks and labeling them with some derivative or signifier of the Battle of Badr, and announcing the new AQ branch name. Alternatively an announcement from AQ HQ, but with Adam’s piss poor efforts at As Sahaab lately that’s not likely and I’d bank more on a slick presentation from al-Shabab.

Anyway, there’s my two cents worth on it all. As I said it could very well be a case of these attacks being opportunity driven and related more to regional dynamics.

However, it is also worth bearing in mind that an expansion of a group’s operational ambit in a manner like this has been a feature of group behaviour just prior to a merger with AQ core, as well as being a trait of those seeking formal sanction.

M-A Lagrange
07-26-2010, 01:37 PM
Opening the summit, Ugandan President Yoweri Museveni called for action to "sweep the terrorists' out of Africa.
And he blamed foreigners for the Kampala attacks, which the Somali-base al-Shebab group has said it carried out.
"Let them go back to Asia or the Middle East where I understand some come from," he said.
Museveni also said many of the organisers of the attacks in Kampala have been arrested and questioned.
"Their interrogations have yielded very good information," he added.
Mutharika declared the organisation's solidarity with Uganda.
"The African Union stands with you, my brother President Museveni, and with the people of Uganda," he said in his opening remarks.
The summit was supposed to concentrate on women, children and health but these questions have so far been overshadowed by the response to the Kampala bombings.
Museveni tried to allay fears by women and child rights activists here that the original theme of the summit was being put in the back seat as leaders grapple with Somalia, Sudan and reform of the UN Security Council," reports Billie O'Kadameri from the summit. "The theme chosen chosen for this summit is 'Maternal and Child Health and Infant Development in Africa' but Museveni said it was a narrow view of looking at the bigger problem.
http://allafrica.com/stories/201007250027.html

I believe the message is pretty clear. Will Uganda be the Africa policeman for Central Africa in the future?
At least, they are playing a more and more important role in the regional stabilisation process.

davidbfpo
07-29-2010, 06:41 PM
An interesting analysis of the incident and repercussions by RUSI's African expert (a Zimbabwean): http://www.rusi.org/analysis/commentary/ref:C4C45B35122E02/

On the domestic aspects this intrigued me:
Interestingly, there is also strong civilian support at home for Uganda's deployment. The atrocities committed by the Lord's Resistance Army (which has itself become a regional threat), remain indelibly etched in the memories of Ugandans. Al Shabab also uses brutal methods including beheadings and maimings, and most Ugandans fear that a full al Shabab takeover in Somalia would spread Islamist extremism and social conflict throughout the Horn and East of Africa. They thus prefer that Somalia, rather than Uganda, remains the battleground for the Ugandan army operations against al Shabab.

M-A Lagrange
08-01-2010, 05:17 PM
Actually the blast of the sheebab bombs made cusualties far over Uganda. I was told recently that the arab and asian communities in Burundi had been targetted by police just after. Also, in several congolese news papers, the Ugandan opposants (ADF-Nalu) are now presented as a group of islamic fundementalist who want to create an Islamic Emirat in Congo... (2 years ago, ADF-Nalu did already exist and they were just considered has an armed rebellion against Ugandan regime.)
Out of the craziness from this anti muslim campaign, the problematic of Central Africa armed groups leaders trained in Pakistan seems to be real. I wonder how much this is linked with the presence of numerous Pakistanese troops (and some ISI) in the UN contingents.
It is true that since Pakistan has been present in DRC, the number of Muslims in Eastern Congo has increased. But Muslims were present long before in East africa... A sad export of the Afghan war in an area which did not need it.

M-A Lagrange
08-06-2010, 01:21 PM
Ugandan journalist to face sedition charges
Kalegyira was interrogated for more than 10 hours this week in connection with articles published on his Uganda Record website, police and his lawyer said.

A day after the attacks last month, which were claimed by Somalia's Al-Qaeda inspired Shebab militants, Kalegyira pointed to Uganda's military as the culprits.

"A top source in the Ugandan army speculates that the bombs were set off in order to justify seeking more money and equipment from the United States," he posted on July 12.

"As the Uganda Record has insisted from the beginning, the investigations are very likely going to uncover the fact that it was not Al-Shabab that carried out the attacks," he also wrote.

Kalegyira, also a regular contributor to Ugandan major dailies, has made similar claims citing anonymous sources in recent weeks.

"You look at the content of these articles, these are media crimes," said the police officer.
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/afp/100805/world/uganda_attacks_media

Such assumptions are not completely crazy since Lightening Thunder has been a non success and US do disangage slowly on the military side. They are not the only one to have had such opinion.
Also the reaction of the autorities seems disproportionated and make the make up possibility really attractive.

Rex Brynen
08-06-2010, 04:34 PM
Such assumptions are not completely crazy since Lightening Thunder has been a non success and US do disangage slowly on the military side. They are not the only one to have had such opinion.
Also the reaction of the autorities seems disproportionated and make the make up possibility really attractive.

Although, in this case, al-Shabab formally claimed responsibility. While groups have been known to claim attacks they didn't undertake, in this case I would say it makes the very implausible secret-Uganadan-plot suggestion even less plausible.

M-A Lagrange
08-07-2010, 08:00 AM
Although, in this case, al-Shabab formally claimed responsibility. While groups have been known to claim attacks they didn't undertake, in this case I would say it makes the very implausible secret-Uganadan-plot suggestion even less plausible.

Completely agree on that. This looks like a bad James Bond.
My point is rather focussed on the over reaction of Kampala. Their position would have been much more credible if they did nothing. Sending journalist to jail is the worst publicity you can do to your self and it discredits all what you say.
Just like the anti muslim propaganda and operations in Burundi or DRC.
Fact show that some leader of armed groups in the region may have been trained in Pakistan or Somalia or any other place in a muslim country. But then having random arrest of any person going to the mosque on friday is the stupidest reaction.
Asking your self the link between presence of huge pakistany contingents for more than a decade and the fact that some peacespoilers in the region get training in muslim countries would be a much better approach. Just like starting to have some human intel from inside the muslim communities.
In 2007, Islamic Relief Worldwide (the UK based NGO) had a mission in Goma! 2 or 3 years before you just could not imagine such organisation being interrested in even opening a mail box in Goma.

JMA
08-07-2010, 08:21 AM
Although, in this case, al-Shabab formally claimed responsibility. While groups have been known to claim attacks they didn't undertake, in this case I would say it makes the very implausible secret-Uganadan-plot suggestion even less plausible.

I suggest you keep the options open.

M-A Lagrange
08-19-2010, 02:05 PM
Uganda bombing suspects arrested entering Rwanda
Wednesday, 18 August 2010 16:31 by RNA Reporters in Kigali and Kampala

Kigali: Two Somali nationals suspected to be connected to the bombings in Uganda have been transferred to the capital Kampala after they were arrested trying to enter Rwanda, border officials said.
http://www.rnanews.com/regional/4029-uganda-bombing-suspects-arrested-entering-rwanda

How did they got arrested? Borders are not really "waterproof" in africa.
Anyway, Rwanda is not the quickest road to Somalia... That's for sure. :D

JMA
08-25-2010, 12:36 PM
http://www.rnanews.com/regional/4029-uganda-bombing-suspects-arrested-entering-rwanda

How did they got arrested? Borders are not really "waterproof" in africa.
Anyway, Rwanda is not the quickest road to Somalia... That's for sure. :D

Another thing about Africa is that if progress in an investigation is needed, arrests followed by signed "confessions" will happen.