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Culpeper
06-27-2008, 04:48 AM
Anyone remember or have docs relating to instructions for the U.S. Military Pack, Parachutist's Weapons and Indvidual Equipment Case. The one without zippers as shown and describe below.

http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/cb.aspx?a=59047

I can remember most folds except what the lone strap (furthest left) is used for. I picked up a NOS one dated 8/79. Plan on using for a cover on my shooting bench as well as a shooting pad on the ground and to carry equipment on the range.

http://image.sportsmansguide.com/dimage/67629m2_ts.JPG?cell=320,320&cvt=jpeg

Stan
06-27-2008, 10:27 AM
Anyone remember or have docs relating to instructions for the U.S. Military Pack, Parachutist's Weapons and Indvidual Equipment Case. The one without zippers as shown and describe below.

http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/cb.aspx?a=59047

I can remember most folds except what the lone strap (furthest left) is used for. I picked up a NOS one dated 8/79. Plan on using for a cover on my shooting bench as well as a shooting pad on the ground and to carry equipment on the range.

Hey Culpeper !

The parachutist's adjustable individual weapons case, M1950 is described in TM 57-220 Technical Training of Parachutists, June 1968. You can get a copy here at Global Security (http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/policy/army/fm/31-71/Appa.htm).

See also FM 57-230/TO 14D1 -2-1-121 dated September 1989 which describes how to rig the ALICE pack and the M1950 case as a tandem load to lower on the same lowering line.

Regards, Stan

Culpeper
06-27-2008, 07:56 PM
Hey Culpeper !

The parachutist's adjustable individual weapons case, M1950 is described in TM 57-220 Technical Training of Parachutists, June 1968. You can get a copy here at Global Security (http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/policy/army/fm/31-71/Appa.htm).

See also FM 57-230/TO 14D1 -2-1-121 dated September 1989 which describes how to rig the ALICE pack and the M1950 case as a tandem load to lower on the same lowering line.

Regards, Stan

Thank you, sir. I can't get the link to download that document to work.

Steve Blair
06-27-2008, 08:13 PM
That's because it's actually a list of references and not a download page.

Here (http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=9345) is a picture of one closed. A quick (and I mean quick) search didn't turn up any versions of the TM online, although they sure could be out there.

Schmedlap
06-27-2008, 08:27 PM
Will this work?

https://www.logsa.army.mil/etmpdf/files/070000/074000/074105.pdf

Stan
06-27-2008, 09:17 PM
Sorry 'bout the false link at Global. Seems Steve and I have the same favorite sites (second only to the SWC of course :cool:).

Here's another good reference similar to Schmedlap's from Fort Benning titled Jumpmaster Study Guide (https://www.benning.army.mil/airborne/jumpmaster/Jumpmaster%20Study%20Guide%20-T10%20(22%20October%202007).doc).

Culpeper
06-27-2008, 09:22 PM
That extra strap is just to pull open the left flap on the bag to pull the weapon out without undoing the whole case.

That one in the Jump Master document is the one with zippers. Mine is the older version. It was designed for M16 up to crew served weapon and equipment.

slapout9
06-28-2008, 12:00 AM
That extra strap is just to pull open the left flap on the bag to pull the weapon out without undoing the whole case.

That one in the Jump Master document is the one with zippers. Mine is the older version. It was designed for M16 up to crew served weapon and equipment.


Culpeper, The one you show is a We-See bag (WICE) I used to jump a radio in it, PRC-77 (prick 77) it is attached under the reserve and a lowering line to release it before you hit the ground. The 1950 was attached to the parachute harness under your armpit and it could be adjusted to the weapon you were carrying m-16,m-14,m-14 etc. So it is not older just different, seldom would weapons be jumped in a WICE bag usually it was radios.

For carrying a weapon to the range I would think the 1950 would be better, WICE bags can be difficult. But it would make a decent ground cloth.

Ken White
06-28-2008, 01:25 AM
For carrying a weapon to the range I would think the 1950 would be better, WICE bags can be difficult. But it would make a decent ground cloth.Here's a M1950 -- the old Griswold Bag: http://www.vintageparachutes.com/pageDisplay.jsp?pageid=8468

Culpeper
06-28-2008, 02:42 AM
Culpeper, The one you show is a We-See bag (WICE) I used to jump a radio in it, PRC-77 (prick 77) it is attached under the reserve and a lowering line to release it before you hit the ground. The 1950 was attached to the parachute harness under your armpit and it could be adjusted to the weapon you were carrying m-16,m-14,m-14 etc. So it is not older just different, seldom would weapons be jumped in a WICE bag usually it was radios.

For carrying a weapon to the range I would think the 1950 would be better, WICE bags can be difficult. But it would make a decent ground cloth.

Yeah, that is what I want to use for is for ground padding and a cover for my shooting bench. Obviously, looking on the Internet it is mistakenly referred to as an M1950. You are correct that it was used as a general purpose equipment case though it is stamped for weapons as well.

I remember this case but I have never jumped with it. WICE makes sense to me Weapons Individual Case Equipment (?). This is what is stamped on it...



US
PACK, PARACHUTIST'S WEAPONS
AND INDIVIDUAL EQUIPMENT
KINGS POINT MFG. CO., INC.
NSN 8465-00-753-6547
DL A 100-78-c-1115 8/79

I think I found something on it...

http://www.tpub.com/content/clothingandindividualequipment/TM-10-8400-203-23/css/TM-10-8400-203-23_199.htm

The diagram solved the mystery of the third strap for me. It's just a third securing strap and I overlooked the buckle/fastener on the outside for it, which means I'm not quite folding it up correctly.

I'll take some photos of it and post them this weekend.

Description (paragraph h)

http://www.tpub.com/content/parachutes/TM-10-1670-299-20P/css/TM-10-1670-299-20P_31.htm

I do remember this one...

http://www.tpub.com/content/clothingandindividualequipment/TM-10-8400-203-23/css/TM-10-8400-203-23_196.htm

Pull the red handle and it drops to ground. Christ, its been like 30 years ago.

Culpeper
06-28-2008, 10:09 PM
Case, Parachutistís Weapon and Individual Equipment NSN 8465-00-753-6547 (http://www.myculpeper.com/ParachutistWeaponsCase/WICE.htm)