C-sniper help

[Houng.Lee]

I'm the asst S3 at a training battalion and I've been tasked to find information regarding c-sniper operations. I need everything from c-sniper defeat principles to tactical recommendations. If you have anything, please help as I searched fruitlessly on google and I don't want to reinvent the wheel. Thank you in advance for all your support

[selil]

Though not military there used to be a lot of law enforcement training in counter sniper tactics. The same with fire departments. Most of that kind of material though is not going to be available through Google. The FBI used to have an entire class on counter sniper operations for law enforcement. I have a couple of books sitting on my bookshelf from classes but they are all 15 years out of date.

[Ken White]

I'm the asst S3 at a training battalion and I've been tasked to find information regarding c-sniper operations. I need everything from c-sniper defeat principles to tactical recommendations. If you have anything, please help as I searched fruitlessly on google and I don't want to reinvent the wheel. Thank you in advance for all your supportAKO Access required.

LINK (https://forums.bcks.army.mil/secure/CommunityBrowser.aspx?id=329139)

LINK (https://www.us.army.mil/suite/portal/index.jsp;jsessionid=81B6D430DB85C0E5BB0FB16114B90 A51.appd05_2)

[patmc]

Have you looked in Center for Army Lessons Learned (CALL)? I remember from a trainup that we found counter-sniper training aides like pocket cards. There is probably other info there too. You could also look at the Fort Benning site and go into the Infantry School. They may have POCs or resources in the sniper school (Target Interdiction?) page.

[Cavguy]

I'm the asst S3 at a training battalion and I've been tasked to find information regarding c-sniper operations. I need everything from c-sniper defeat principles to tactical recommendations. If you have anything, please help as I searched fruitlessly on google and I don't want to reinvent the wheel. Thank you in advance for all your support

Houng,

The army is paying a gazillion dollars to contractors to do all the data mining work for you.

Simply head to the below URL and submit your request. Operators are standing by.

https://call-rfi.leavenworth.army.mil/rfisystem/NewRequest.aspx

[Houng.Lee]

Thank you all for the help. They were all great assets. Especially you Cav Guy... sir. I was in your COIN class (18-20 Feb at Ft. Meade). I knew there was a site like that, but I just couldn't remember. Thanks again sir

[Hacksaw]

As I recall...

CAC and Benning were tasked to form a C-sniper integrated capability development team (ICDT)...

I think this is the home of most of what they developed in cooperation with CALL

https://forums.bcks.army.mil/secure/CommunityBrowser.aspx?id=329139

[Ken White]

the two I gave him yesterday... ;)

Whoops, that got truncated somehow.Thought all the below was there/here.

I did forget to suggest that if he has SIPR he can and should go JFCOM's KnIFE site, which is the JF CALL.

Here are some other links:

LINK. (http://www.geocities.com/pentagon/6453/moutpoi.html)
LINK. (http://www.smallwars.quantico.usmc.mil/search/References/index.asp)
LINK. (https://www.infantry.army.mil/197th/courses/sniper/index.htm)

[Cavguy]

Thank you all for the help. They were all great assets. Especially you Cav Guy... sir. I was in your COIN class (18-20 Feb at Ft. Meade). I knew there was a site like that, but I just couldn't remember. Thanks again sir

Thanks,

Hope you enjoyed the class. All our stuff is posted @ http://coin.army.mil in the knowledge center - including those videos we used.

[Teufel]

What kind of counter sniper operations are you thinking about? Snipers are like submarines, the best way to kill a sniper is with another sniper. Is this what you are after or are you looking for a way to mitigate the sniper threat in country?

[RJ]

Hey Ken,

When I was new to the Corps and going thru a Regimental Scout/Sniper School there was a legend about a Marine Buck Sgt. sniper who was using a Cpl. Friday as bait to lure NK or ChiCom snipers in to revealing their positon by having him walk and run, bob and weave his way down the hill to a water point and and back up.

The story was that he killed several enemy snipers using this method and a story in Stars and Stirpes killed the baiting of enemy snipers because the brass or the mothers back in the states were horrified.

This wa supposed to have happened in the static war after the Frozen Chosin fight.

:wry: Recall that legend?

[Ken White]

the Shooter was SSgt John Boitnott, Kentucky boy, 3/5. After the story hit S&S they told him to quit using PFC Friday for a decoy and gave him a meritorious promotion to TSgt, the 1946-58 version of a Gunnery sergeant. Last I heard, he was a MGySgt working in the Pentagon -- obviously he's long retired now. He was about 7 or 8 years older than me, I think...

There also about the same time was the Hershey Bar Kid, a Cpl in 2/5 (IIRC) who'd put a dozen Hershey's Tropical Chocolate Bars in his pockets and take off alone on three and four day scouting trips behind the Chinese lines. He alway brought back good intel and occasionally a, uh, 'souvenir' if some poor Chinese soldat had been unfortunate enough to be caught alone. He made the paper also -- and the word came down to have him stop; no individual forays... :eek:

No guts, no glory...:D

[RJ]

SSgt John Boitnott's legend was alive and well in 1960.

M/3/5 was one of my most favorite outfits.

We didn't hear about the Hershybar Kid but there was an Amerindian, (Comanche or Apache) who liked to take a stroll and and he liked to find a occupied bunker and worm his way into it and kill the last man in it and leave his head with the first Chinese asleep at the door.

We took the story with a grain of salt, but I have seen Marines who could move that easily in and out of tight places.

I had a farmer in my squad from a ranch in S.D. who would go on night recons barefooted and never make a sound.

I'm sure we all have heard similar war stories about individuals who were almost invisible.