EU inquiry into CIA prisons to be reopened
In 2006, Italian MP Claudio Fava wrote a report stating that 11 European Countries actively or passively cooperated with the CIA to transport terror suspects and house them in secret prisons. The report was approved by the European Parliament in early 2007.
Now, Fava is re-opening the inquiry based on new evidence (a copy of an official approval to land a CIA plane on a military base in Ukraine and approval to locate a prison in Ukraine).
Ukraine is denying this is true. Here's the link:
http://fe10.news.re3.yahoo.com/s/nm/..._prisons_eu_dc
Well, Estonian Journalists claim..
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goesh
They were going to put one of them secret joints up at Fedscreek, KY. However the locals, like much of work-a-day, mainstream America, really didn't care what happened to AQ soldiers and agents and other identified and suspected enemies of the nation, but they didn't want new roads built in prime hunting ground. This is a part of the book I am writing: Hillbillies, Shrapnel and Stretch Marks: The Fundamentals of American Patriotism. Though there is alot of fiction, conjecture and fantasy involved, like Profitt's book previously referenced, I should be able to cite it often in future posts I may make in this professional forum. I hope to be able to pay Stan and Steve Metz a very handsome reviewer's fee by the way, and in the interest of sparking debate, I do assert in my book that the CIA are interrogators. I hope nobody minds me plugging my future book here.
Estonia's press last year reported seeing CIA prison C-21s in Pärnu, Estonia with final destinations to Poland and Romania. Never mind the fact that Pärnu's Soviet-era runway would destroy a C21's landing gear on both takeoff and landing, and the purported 'food' rushed to the airport for the C21 crew and 'passengers' would have certainly killed all aboard, there's also a very obvious absence of JP-4 :rolleyes:
BTW, just how much is the 'very handsome reviewer's fee' and do I have to split it with Steve :o He does afterall have a grill larger than my livingroom :mad:
Tolsen, I've taken the liberty of below quoting
the second paragraph of your post from the other thread because it seems to summarize the lengthy comment above:
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2. I do understand that each of the legal protections I mentioned (lawyers, no secret evidence) have inherent "dangers" that could result in a terrorist getting away or otherwise thwarting our efforts. However, I think its worth the small risk to achieve a radical reduction in the collateral damage we inflict on innocents. Do you disagree?
Yes, I disagree.
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...Do you think we really wont hurt that many innocent people?
We'll hurt some to one degree or another but there won't be many -- I do not subscribe to the "Better a thousand guilty go free than one innocent incarcerated" mantra. Our systems basically work, they, like ANY human system will err on occasion. I cheerfully accept a 90+% solution. Please note that I emphasized the word ANY human human system -- that includes one that would cater to your very sensible and perfecly acceptable desires. I guess I'm just a little more suspicious and accepting of human foibles...
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...I've yet to hear a supporter of harsh interrogation seriously address the concept of innocence (almost always they restrict their arguments to cases where guilt is assumed and give only token admissions that "of course I dont want to hurt innocent people, but lets assume the guy is guilty for now...").
Prepare to hear -- er, read -- it. Hang around the wrong place at the wrong time, run around with the wrong people, give the appearance of hostile intent and all the innocence in the world will not save you. Don't know about you but my folks told me that and more along the same line many years ago -- they were right. Thus, my answer is that sometimes bad things happen to good people; tough munchies. Fortunately, it doesn't happen often. I'm cool with that, both ways.
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...My opinion is also based on assumptions though (one of which is that all large organizations and beauracracies screw up...a lot) and they may be wrong.
I'm sure your assumption is totally correct; there will be occasional screwups. always have been.
I can accept that and am willing to do so. I still accept harsh interrogations and accept the fact that the occasional innocent will lose some sleep or be grossly uncomfortable for a while. I do not agree with torture as defined in the USC.
However, I think Jedburgh put this on the wrong thread -- I'm not a believer in
extraordinary rendition, I pretty much agree with Van, above, on that. I can accept it simply because we've been doing it more or less since WW II and Clinton effectively codified it but I think it's dumb, the payoff isn't worth the cost IMO.