Parameters: Colin S Gray vs. Gates
http://www.carlisle.army.mil/usawc/P...inter/gray.pdf
Notice footnote 18:
Secretary of Defense Robert M. Gates offers the contestable statement that "[f]or the foreseeable future, this [strategic] environment will be defined by a global struggle against a violent extremist ideology that seeks to overturn the international state system." National Defense Strategy (Washington: Department of Defense, June 2008), 2.
Okay, I've noticed it. What's your point?
One assume there is a point or you wouldn't have posted it but your comment doesn't tell us what that point might have been...
Without the nuance this time...
It's a fairly interesting essay in and of itself, but thought his point -- that Gates et al are wrong to focus on Islamic radicalism (in context, read: insurgency) as the defining threat for the foreseeable future -- was worth posting here, given that it runs counter to conventional views on where resources should be allocated and where future conflict should arise, and reminds me of Gentile's article in Foreign Policy.
I don't think that's a good assumption
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TristanAbbey
...given that it runs counter to conventional views on where resources should be allocated and where future conflict should arise...
There are many who post on this Board (I happen to be but one) who do not agree that resources should be allocated as you seem -- nuance again on your part, I presume? -- to imply. If you indeed meant that the emphasis and collective wisdom pointed to 'small wars' only or nearly so and / or that Islamic radicalism (or insurgency) is the future, then like Gray, I doubt one can be that positive. In fact, I strongly question that. As Gray and Yogi Berra said, predictions are very difficult, especially about the future.
I also suggest that Gates may not be totally on board with that vision of the future (past Afghanistan and Iraq) -- he must tailor his remarks to the cares of the day in Washington and he's been very astute at that. I think Gates is too sharp to fall into the trap of predicting the future in a world bereft of the false stability of the Cold War.
In any event, aside form this Board and those two, I strongly doubt the system that is the US Government and DoD will allocate resources as you imply. Some; yes -- but not likely much. Congress won't allow it for one thing...
The original posting, sans comment from you, could have gone either way; i.e. do you agree with Gray or do you agree with the apparent Gates position. Thus my question.
I don't know what the future holds...
But:
1. I think the combination of Gates + the rise of COIN folks from CNAS (Nagl & Co.) + Obama's purported focus on Afghanistan suggest that we see some major shift in resources towards fighting small wars -- to the extent, anyway, that the shift is greater than what has already been done over the past couple years.
2. I am not a national security professional, so these are my views as an outsider looking in to the discussion. I am always happy to be educated when in error.
3. If war is politics by other means, then the question of future wars is a political question. So the question of Gates vs. Gray is the wrong question insofar as it ignores the will of the political class, which is increasingly distant from military experience, disdainful and/or ignorant of war, etc.
4. But if forced to answer the question, I have to say I'm agnostic because I don't know enough. Islamic radicalism certainly defines a large part of the strategic environment, but does it override energy and demographics? I'm not sure.
Interesting piece from Colin (as usual)
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TristanAbbey
But:
1. I think the combination of Gates + the rise of COIN folks from CNAS (Nagl & Co.) + Obama's purported focus on Afghanistan suggest that we see some major shift in resources towards fighting small wars -- to the extent, anyway, that the shift is greater than what has already been done over the past couple years.
3. If war is politics by other means, then the question of future wars is a political question. So the question of Gates vs. Gray is the wrong question insofar as it ignores the will of the political class, which is increasingly distant from military experience, disdainful and/or ignorant of war, etc.
Have to bring forth a thought for you. Considering the big C's Politics by other means:D
Consider that although there may well be validity in the CNAS and other picks as indicative of "COIN" centric leaning it might not be quite that simple.
Those who've been selected tend to fit into another category which may tend to be more "politically" savvy on the administrations part. They have been seen to stand up/ out, lone voice in the storm, etc. This may be an example of where more than one set of circumstances come together to offer a "win-win" for those in charge. They get a group who have been seen publicly as part of the solution to recent actions and seen to do so in a somewhat controversial light as well. And most importantly their selection is publicly perceived as change.
Only mention this to encourage you to make sure you look at the deeper political implications both internally and externally before assuming you can see the writing on the wall. It's almost always 10X more confusing then when you first think you've got a glimpse of it.:wry:
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TristanAbbey
2. I am not a national security professional, so these are my views as an outsider looking in to the discussion. I am always happy to be educated when in error.
Me either
If so inclined try defining exactly what makes one a professional at predicting the future or even what's gonna fall apart today. ;)
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TristanAbbey
4. But if forced to answer the question, I have to say I'm agnostic because I don't know enough. Islamic radicalism certainly defines a large part of the strategic environment, but does it override energy and demographics? I'm not sure.
May not override it per se but if most of those involved in it are in the process of dealing with that particular aberration in their societies it darn well makes understanding it important enough to dedicate resources and education to.
Kinda like going on a trip, you may get good directions but if you fail to look for construction issues your trips gonna be a heck of a lot longer , if you even get there instead of just giving up and going back home to a nice rum&coke:cool:
Just to be clear although I would hope most would know better; The references to appointments were not meant to denigrate either those choices or those who answered that call but rather as a reminder that sometimes we forget to pull back the curtain enough to see everything there.
Who does know what the future hods...
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1...that the shift is greater than what has already been done over the past couple years.
Perhaps. I'll point out that th CNAS crew is long on theory and short on practice, as is Obama -- and that all administrations change their early views. Both ends of Pennsylvania Avenue are regrettably occupied by the same political party so the guys on the East end will support that other guy -- but not to the extent of harming big campaign contributors...
IOW, I'd expect some slight changes but nothing earth shaking -- unless Ashton Carter is a lot smarter than I think he is.
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2...I am always happy to be educated when in error.
As am I.
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3. If war is politics by other means, then the question of future wars is a political question. So the question of Gates vs. Gray is the wrong question insofar as it ignores the will of the political class, which is increasingly distant from military experience, disdainful and/or ignorant of war, etc.
All true but Gates versus Gray is the issue you raised. Discussion of the political class and its shortcoming leaves the area of warfare and enters the realm of politics. I'll just note that the conditions you describe have been the norm in this country for over 200 years. It's not a big problem.
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4...does it override energy and demographics? I'm not sure.
Nor am I but my perception is that the math will rule...