Iraq, 'Sinking Fast,' Is Ranked No. 2 on List of Unstable States
19 June Washington Post - Iraq, 'Sinking Fast,' Is Ranked No. 2 on List of Unstable States by Robin Wright.
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Iraq now ranks as the world's second most unstable country, ahead of war-ravaged or poverty-stricken nations such as Somalia, Zimbabwe, Ivory Coast, Congo, Afghanistan, Haiti and North Korea, according to the 2007 Failed States Index, issued yesterday by the
Fund for Peace and Foreign Policy magazine.
Despite billions of dollars in foreign aid and the presence of more than 150,000 U.S. troops, Iraq has declined steadily over the past three years, according to the index. It ranked fourth last year, but its score dropped in almost all of the 12 political, economic, security and social indicators on which the index is based.
"The report tells us that Iraq is sinking fast," said Fund for Peace President Pauline Baker. "We believe it's reached the point of no return. We have recommended -- based on studies done every six months since the U.S. invasion -- that the administration face up to the reality that the only choices for Iraq are how and how violently it will break up."
In a parallel series of reports, the Fund for Peace, a research and advocacy group, suggests a policy of managed partition for Iraq...
The Bird, the Cow, and the Cat
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We like going into ####holes. LOL!
Funny I have I have lived and worked in one of those excreta states and traveled throughout 3 others. found that there is great comfort in the commonality of ####holes. You know what to expect. You know not to be disappointed. And you learn to keep your head down when the sky suddenly goes dark over your head and wind starts to blow. I am sure that my fellow outhouse companion, Stan, would agree:D
Besides one should always remember the story about the bird, the cow, and the cat...:eek:
Seriously, the break up seems to me to be the most likely outcome as it did in 1990 when we said as much.
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Tom
The most inhospitable places in the world
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Tom Odom
Funny I have I have lived and worked in one of those excreta states and traveled throughout 3 others. found that there is great comfort in the commonality of ####holes. You know what to expect. You know not to be disappointed. And you learn to keep your head down when the sky suddenly goes dark over your head and wind starts to blow. I am sure that my fellow outhouse companion, Stan, would agree:D
Besides one should always remember the story about the bird, the cow, and the cat...:eek:
Seriously, the break up seems to me to be the most likely outcome as it did in 1990 when we said as much.
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Tom
Tom,
I knew you were coming here today when I saw SWJED post this in the wee AM :rolleyes:
You're correct as always, better to ponder in a load of Sierra and at least be switched on.
I noticed that some of our favorite waterin' holes are listed high. Good to know things have yet to change in more than a decade :D
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Here is a list of the top 20 most unstable countries indexed by Foreign Policy and the Fund for Peace: 1,
Sudan; 2, Iraq; 3,
Somalia; 4, Zimbabwe; 5,
Chad; 6, Ivory Coast; 7,
Democratic Republic of the Congo; 8, Afghanistan; 9, Guinea; 10, Central African Republic; 11, Haiti; 12, Pakistan; 13, North Korea; 14, Myanmar; 15, Uganda; 16, Bangladesh; 17, Nigeria; 18, Ethiopia; 19,
Burundi; 20, Timor-Leste.
Glad to see Rwanda graduated out of the top 20 !
Is there any getting off this list?
11. Haiti
Haiti could have been on such a list since Toussaint L'Ouverture was breathing air. Once you get on this kind of list, is there any getting off it, I wonder? Haiti is on despite multiple U.S. military expeditions to "stabilize" the place.
...in relation to another thread...
Tom--
You are right, of course. DOD always treated Haiti as if it were a slice of Africa in the Americas. All the army attaches were Africa FAOs. I wonder - do you know - if State did the same?
Regarding the DLI instructor: His comment suggests something inherent in Haitian culture. Indeed, many scholars of Haiti - both Haitian and outsiders - have labeled Haitian culture as being predatory. This smacks of cutural deteminism which, as one old anthro prof, David Bidney, argued truly overstates the issue. The problem I see is that I don't have any answer for Haiti other than a long term "trusteeship" (nice word for colonial rule) in which power is devolved form the local to the national level as the culture is changed.
:eek:
On that cheery note
JohnT
Self government...That would be where exactly ?
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Tom Odom
Merv,
Certainly Haiti ranks up there. But Africa is simply amazing when it comes to the comic-tragedy of Mugabe and Mugabe-like figures. Stan has a continuous decade of Zaire/Congo under his belt and fueled with a couple of beers can offer hours of stories. It gets to the point where you have to guard against making erroneous assumptions of incompetency. That was the case with certain of my SF guys when they came from Haiti and joined me in Rwanda where the RPA stood out by virtue of its efficiency.
But where Haiti still reigns supreme is duration of independent incompetence; two centuries is quite a record.
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Tom
Nichols said it best (and Tom has studied and lived with it longer than most care to even think about): "You can take the man out of WAWA, but you can't take WAWA out of the man."
The moment we forget this absurd and abysmal saying, we will be subjected to jungle rules...and just plain ol' screwed !
We began to imagine all sorts of pathetic and hopeful means of saving or restructuring a culture that has done just fine for decades, destroyed anything the French or Belg left behind, and will steal you blind while doing said.
I think the Haitians came over for short courses, but never graduated :wry:
and yet another data point !
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I believe Ambassador Swing went straight from South Africa to Haiti in the early 90s. One man doesn't make a trend, but it's one data point.
The NCOs that replaced me both in Africa and Estonia came directly from Haiti (you got me there). Merely due to French language skills...in Estonia ?
The latter also served in Canada :eek:
I doubt State could pork up such an ideal marriage...You have to attend FSI French language training to screw things up this bad...aye ?
Is it a self-imposed voodoo curse?
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But where Haiti still reigns supreme is duration of independent incompetence; two centuries is quite a record.
Tom
Gentlemen,
So what is unique to Haiti, which would explain this kind of record of futility? All I can think of is voodoo.
I know nothing about voodoo, other than some vauge notions of zombies, voodoo dolls, and using it to control people. I've seen "Live and Let Die", that James Bond flick.
Serious question for you old Hatian hands out there. We often debate on here whether there is something inherent in Islam causing the problems in Muslim countries. Well, is there something to voodoo that contributes to the misery in Haiti?
They share the island of Hispanola with The Dominican Republic, which looks like Switzerland in comparison. I don't think they practice voodoo there, either.
Religion and (in)stability
Hi Tacitus,
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Religion is a fascinating subject. For example, Rastafarians accept that Haile Selassie I, the former Emperor of Ethiopia, was God incarnate. To a non-Rasta that just sounds bizarre. More broadly, any religion not your own seems a fraud perpretrated on a gullible public. People ask, "How can they not see through that sort of nonsense?" The idea that your own religion seems just as crazy to a man with different one does not seem to occur in the minds of men.
One of the interesting things, for me at any rate, has been how religious systems can be used to condition perceptions of reality. From my own studies, it is readily apparent that almost any religious system can be used to either reinforce or destabilize any other social system. There are, however, some interesting clues that can be picked up as to the particular aims - i.e. is the system focused on making the individual or the group more or less stable? is the system aimed at limiting or expanding personal growth? is the system in "balance" with lived reality (i,e, does it provide an explanatory model that actually works for the believer)? This is, however, getting into another area...
Marc