How To or How Not To End the War
The Smart Way Out of a Foolish War by Zbigniew Brzezinski, Washington Post, 30 March 2008.
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... The case for U.S. disengagement from combat is compelling in its own right. But it must be matched by a comprehensive political and diplomatic effort to mitigate the destabilizing regional consequences of a war that the outgoing Bush administration started deliberately, justified demagogically and waged badly. (I write, of course, as a Democrat; while I prefer Sen. Barack Obama, I speak here for myself.)
The contrast between the Democratic argument for ending the war and the Republican argument for continuing is sharp and dramatic. The case for terminating the war is based on its prohibitive and tangible costs, while the case for "staying the course" draws heavily on shadowy fears of the unknown and relies on worst-case scenarios. President Bush's and Sen. John McCain's forecasts of regional catastrophe are quite reminiscent of the predictions of "falling dominoes" that were used to justify continued U.S. involvement in Vietnam. Neither has provided any real evidence that ending the war would mean disaster, but their fear-mongering makes prolonging it easier...
How Not to End the War by Max Boot, Washington Post, 31 March 2008.
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Why am I not reassured by Zbigniew Brzezinski's breezy assurance in Sunday's Outlook section that "forecasts of regional catastrophe" after an American pullout from Iraq are as overblown as similar predictions made prior to our pullout from South Vietnam? Perhaps because the fall of Saigon in 1975 really was a catastrophe. Another domino fell at virtually the same time -- Cambodia.
Estimates vary, but a safe bet is that some two million people died in the killing fields of Cambodia. In South Vietnam, the death toll was lower, but hundreds of thousands were consigned to harsh "reeducation" camps where many perished, and hundreds of thousands more risked their lives to flee as "boat people."
The consequences of the U.S. defeat rippled outward, emboldening communist aggression from Angola to Afghanistan. Iran's willingness to hold our embassy personnel hostage -- something that Brzezinski should recall -- was probably at least in part a reaction to America's post-Vietnam malaise. Certainly the inability of the U.S. armed services to rescue those hostages was emblematic of the "hollow," post-Vietnam military. It took us more than a decade to recover from the worst military defeat in our history...
Okay, I read all that but, frankly, I'm unsure what
happens to be the point. Boot is a hack? Okay. The Sunni and Shia are themselves fragmented and chaotic internally? Okay. The coalition cannot impose a solution? Okay. Iraq is not viet Nam? Okay.
I agree with all that. Now what?
I'd say the odds of that were about
90:10 for it being the case...
Though I suspect that it'll be way more than $3,800 for the equivalent. :D
I wonder how they hid the mold in the HCM City pic???
I'm pretty sure they do. however, I'm also pretty sure
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Originally Posted by
Entropy
Ken,
Please don't destroy my wishful thinking with cold, hard, bitter reality! That's not very nice. :D
I'm always hopeful the "policymakers" will have such a debate - even if it's in private - but you're quite right it's probably a false hope.
that what "we" think is only of minor concern. What congress may think is of some concern. What the media might say is of major concern to some, little to others.
Having been a fly on the wall in the WH Sit Room -- admittedly long ago -- the debates get pretty heated and public opinion gets discussed with some being very concerned and others being a little cavalier about it. I remember one item wherein there were four alternatives briefed over a period of a few weeks and the selected COA was an amalgam of the best briefers bad plan (squeaking wheels...) and the worst briefers good one with facets of the other two thrown in -- no one was that happy with the result but all acknowledged it was about as good as could be had. Compromises tend to be like that.
Based on all I can gather, that process hasn't changed much. Having an acquaintance who was up there in the early '02 time period, there were a lot of discussions along those lines. They resulted in probably as much a layout of the strategy for public consumption as was prudent; in rough priority order; go after the money; go after the nodes (now changed to threads) and an acknowledgement that it would take years (primarily due to the time required to ramp up of a number of agencies to do some things they hadn't done before), most would be out of sight and little could or would be said about it. Step 2 was Afghanistan. Step 3 was Iraq (on a get in and get out basis -- that also changed for some reason). Step 4 was the rest of the world (Philippines, Horn of Africa, Iguacu Falls area, West Africa, et.al. -- note that AfriCom is still not operational) and I suspect there's a 5 and possibly a 6.