Does anybody know how long the training course is for the crew of a Buk battery in the Russian air defense forces is? I am asking because I suspect it is a long one. Therefore since the "separatists" only got going in April or so when Putin got home from the Olympics I figure it is highly likely that the "separatists" Buk battery that destroyed this airplane was manned wholly or mostly by regular Russian air defense troops. Maybe the guys who swept out the vehicles were "separatists" but everybody else was regular Russian armed forces.