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    At the risk of moving this thread too far down the off topic road…

    Is there anywhere that a model other than up–or–out is used? If so, is it/are they any more effective than the U.S.’s?
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    Human rights, citizens’ rights.

    Mahmood Mamdani’s book Saviors and survivors deals provocatively but well IMHO with the topic(s) under discussion in this thread.
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