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    As I remember, it did not replace any FM. FM...

    As I remember, it did not replace any FM. FM 90-8 was in effect both before and after and covered COIN, in part.
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    SJPONeill, I would agree with you on FM...

    SJPONeill,

    I would agree with you on FM 3-24; I think it more than filled the void until we could get other products out. I liked the CIA construct and got to work with it in ABCA and NATO...
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    Entropy: I hear you on speed; however, you have...

    Entropy: I hear you on speed; however, you have to balance several factors, and each book is different. Doctrine turns slowly while other options, such as handbooks, are faster. More importantly,...
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    Misinterpreting the Trinity

    It sounds like he is making the typical misinterpretation of the trinity. The trinity is composed of three principal tendencies or forces: hostility, chance, and purpose. These are universal to war...
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    Two possible sources

    You may be way ahead of me on this, but I like the following two sources for this area:

    Urban Battle Fields of South Asia, RAND, by C. Christine Fair

    Understanding Indian Insurgencies:...
  6. No argument from me on that one.

    No argument from me on that one.
  7. I personally wanted to write an IW JP and have...

    I personally wanted to write an IW JP and have advocated writing an Army IW FM, so please don't assume that I personally just leaped to writing a COIN JP. Developing or not developing a joint...
  8. I don't view military history as a buffet, but...

    I don't view military history as a buffet, but you have to survey all of the appropriate facts and establish a hypothesis. The authors of the IW JOC surveyed the historical facts and established a...
  9. Agreed. However, I was referring to the fact...

    Agreed. However, I was referring to the fact that the doctrinal definition of irregular warfare focuses on the population, not irregular combatants, formations, tactics, etc. This was established...
  10. I personally like this quotation: I am...

    I personally like this quotation:

    I am tempted to say that whatever doctrine the armed forces are working on now, they have got it wrong. I am also tempted to declare that it does not...
  11. As I mentioned before, I too hate to see this...

    As I mentioned before, I too hate to see this happening; however, the actual appearance of quotes, vignettes, etc. does not necessarily mean that history does not underpin doctrine. That train has...
  12. While I might personally agree with you that the...

    While I might personally agree with you that the U.S. definition of IW may not be the right one, you are comparing your interpretation of military history with another. Any history is interpretation...
  13. While I think your point is a valid one, I...

    While I think your point is a valid one, I believe the stripping of vignettes and other historical material is part of the effort to reduce the size of manuals. I will ask the authors. What I was...
  14. Doctrine is a body of thought, so it certainly...

    Doctrine is a body of thought, so it certainly can be what is taught. Doctrine consists of fundamentals, TTP, terms, and symbols. TTP provide explicit guidance as to the "how," so it depends on the...
  15. Amen. The doctrine efforts are ongoing, but we...

    Amen. The doctrine efforts are ongoing, but we hope the ATTP will be the useful tool that many in this thread advocate. As someone who was tangentially involved in the writing of FM 3-24/MCWP...
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    Poll: I will check as well, but it depends on how you...

    I will check as well, but it depends on how you define insurgency and what you want to consider as the threshold for an "ongoing" insurgency. I do remember several studies that had roughly the same...
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    Blowtorch Bob Komer's Organization and Management...

    Blowtorch Bob Komer's Organization and Management of the "New Model" Pacification Program -- 1966-1969. Komer's RAND analysis of pacification organization and management in SVN.

    U.S. Army Special...
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    For what it is worth, I think we should be doing...

    For what it is worth, I think we should be doing FID at the Afghan or Af/Pak level. Beneath that there should be an appropriate mix of COIN/CT/CN/PE/etc. based on the local environment. However, I...
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    You are right in that would doctrinally be...

    You are right in that would doctrinally be support to COIN, which is part of a larger U.S. FID program. You might have the military instrument of FID (direct, indirect, and combat) support COIN. If...
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    UW is distinctly different from FID and COIN, as...

    UW is distinctly different from FID and COIN, as Old Eagle mentioned, although it can occur within other operations. My spin is below.

    UW is a special operations mission. UW is a broad spectrum...
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    For what it is worth... FID refers to the...

    For what it is worth...

    FID refers to the participation by civilian and military agencies of a government in any of the action programs taken by another government or other designated organization...
  22. I would recommend reading Max Manwaring's SSI...

    I would recommend reading Max Manwaring's SSI material, as well as Manwaring/Fishel's Uncomfortable Wars.
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    There were several COAs evaluated. However,...

    There were several COAs evaluated. However, prior to FM 5-0's current draft there was an FMI on design. The way ahead after the release of FM 5-0, FM 6-0, and the design FMI was to incorporate...
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    FMI 3-07.22 and MIDLIFE

    I just wanted to mention two minor things. First, FMI 3-07.22 is no longer doctrine. While a good book that filled a tactical doctrine gap (it hit the street in late 2004), it expired in 2006 (the...
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    Thanks, Niel. Mao the master insurgent is up on...

    Thanks, Niel. Mao the master insurgent is up on me 7-1.
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