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    And that doesn't have any application to...

    And that doesn't have any application to Hezballah?
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    Here's the so what

    Sir, it gets you secular lines of communication and influence over those who are working for extremist thugs.

    I think you can connect the dots from there.

    -Tribeguy
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    Thanks for the props - and I agree that field...

    Thanks for the props - and I agree that field work is the key. I spent four years in Iraq dealing with tribesmen - and it took me many years to understand how and why tribesmen think the way that...
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    I like your style - but see my post about noble...

    I like your style - but see my post about noble tribes, caliphates re: Hezballah. Perhaps I do overemphasize it, but I think that most people just don't get it, including on this site. I am heartened...
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    Stretch? Let's see here - Hezballah exists in...

    Stretch?

    Let's see here - Hezballah exists in order to establish a caliphate. Caliphates must be ruled by direct descendants of Muhammad the prophet. Noble tribes are descendants of Muhammad the...
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    Glibidity and Assumptions

    Very interesting Mr. Owen. How many books have been written in Arabic about tribes in Lebanon? Is Hezballah not a manifestation of currents within Lebanese society? Are not tribes a part of Lebanese...
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    Sir, What you said above negates what William...

    Sir,

    What you said above negates what William Owen said. He thinks that tribalism is irrelevant in Lebanon. I wonder how much time he has spent with the ((Al-Luhayb)) of the ((Al-Jubur)) - they...
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    Jmm - I took a cursory look at that web site, and...

    Jmm - I took a cursory look at that web site, and it's dedicated to the mourning of al-sadr's death. I didn't have enough time to read the entire site, but I'll get back to you as soon as I can. I...
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    I am more curious than that - the question to me...

    I am more curious than that - the question to me is whether or not there is an area in Hezballah where tribal or familial affiliation is relevant. The mere presence of Nasarallah ((Al-Musawi)) at the...
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    I'll hit this tomorrow at first light. Let's see...

    I'll hit this tomorrow at first light. Let's see where this goes! The requirements, really, are a complete tribal study, if possible, of Hezballah. Not sure where I can find that.

    V/r,

    tribeguy
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    JMM - magnificent. Here's my contribution: ...

    JMM - magnificent. Here's my contribution:

    Musawi sub tribes of Iraq:

    ((Bayt Sayid Ahmad)) ((Al-Nur)) ((Al-Sada Al-Musuwiyun))
    ((Bayt Sayid Mashkur)) ((Al-Nur)) ((Al-Sada Al-Musuwiyun))...
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    Now this is a GOOD QUESTION: Leaving aside issues...

    Now this is a GOOD QUESTION: Leaving aside issues of historical comparative law (which are not about to be resolved here), I do have a current events question: What is your opinion about the link...
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    There seems to be some movement on this on the...

    There seems to be some movement on this on the ground in Iraq. As I mentioned previously - shaykhs want to form a house of lords-like counterpart to parliament. I like the idea of molding the...
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    Yeah - it was hard - my intention was to vet...

    Yeah - it was hard - my intention was to vet council members' tribal understanding - I believe I have done that, as I still haven't gotten the answer to the question: which are the noble tribes in...
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    Overplayed in some cases - yes. The Tribal...

    Overplayed in some cases - yes. The Tribal Awakening is certainly overplayed at his point in time.

    Overplayed in accordance with our understanding of tribes yes. But there is something about the...
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    Jcustis - our ability to prosecute the GWOT in...

    Jcustis - our ability to prosecute the GWOT in general will be enhanced manyfold by our knowledge of tribes. One of our errors as westerners is to assume that there is such a thing as a tribe that is...
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    AUAB is a position, not a person.

    AUAB is a position, not a person.
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    Great article - touches on a theme of importance...

    Great article - touches on a theme of importance today regarding the Iraqi government's alleged capture of AUAB.

    The man they have in custody is a ((Al-Mujama'i)) tribesmen.

    The ((Al-Mujama'i))...
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    Some of the magic in there is fully understanding...

    Some of the magic in there is fully understanding the connection between the Imam's and the tribes. I've discovered some very interesting things in that regard. Problem is that us Americans, in...
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    True - the Brits had some true genius - Sandeman...

    True - the Brits had some true genius - Sandeman is amazing. Those who were in charge of Transjordan were also very skilled and shrewd at tribal administration.

    Alas, many of those lessons are...
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    Sir, I have a lot of data on sub tribes with...

    Sir,

    I have a lot of data on sub tribes with cross border presence, Syrian and Iranian Arab Tribes.

    If you have Analyst's Notebook, I can send you some products that I made on that very...
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    It's the tribes, not me.

    Alcon:

    I appreciate your concerns, but a chapter or two out of my book isn't going to get you where we all need to be.

    I do post things on my blog at www.theiraqiarabtribalsystem.com, but I am...
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    I agree with you on this. Having had some direct...

    I agree with you on this. Having had some direct visibility on the issue, an MI officer's bandwidth is mostly taken up by having to deal with the myriad of administrative issues. They definitely want...
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    Work always gets in the way. Thankfully, my work...

    Work always gets in the way. Thankfully, my work intersects with my interests. I am sure it does for you as well.

    I am looking forward to your posts. Right now I am preparing a top down analysis...
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    Marc! I can't let you off that easily. Hear me...

    Marc! I can't let you off that easily. Hear me now and believe me in 10 years, the noble tribes are MOST operationally relevant. Hence the question, what do Abu Umar Al-Baghdadi I, II, and III have...
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