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    Which is why you buy newer M-ATV and JLTV with...

    Which is why you buy newer M-ATV and JLTV with V-Hulls and figure new ways to make old HMMWVs more survivable such as "chimneys" that vent the blast and keep the vehicle from getting airborne.

    The...
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    Out of curiosity, what's that thing on your chest?

    So you would prefer not to improve HMMWVs with additional armor and future chimneys? There's no value in getting farther from the COP in a M-ATV or JLTV that is survivable? Getting out of the vehicle...
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    Good comments, but...

    Shouldn’t we organize/train/equip for the most realistic fight? If so we have ample air and seapower for the rogue nations and no fly zones. We have ample air and seapower if North Korea crosses the...
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    Great comments Ken

    Was implying that for a long patrol, you would need to carry a lot of water, ammunition, and food regardless of whether setting up a COP.

    Today's armor is much lighter. Technology could evolve...
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    Great photo ganulv

    You are looking north up the Waygal river valley and can make out the road on the east valley ridgeline that the platoon and ground QRF and supply trucks employed.

    If you zoom in using computer...
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    You made good points just like your initial quote about COIN

    Bill, that sounds dangerously like former defense secretary Rumsfeld's comment: "As you know, you go to war with the Army you have. They're not the Army you might want or wish to have at a later...
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    Is this the same Bill that said this?

    Bill mentioned the above earlier. Someone else mentioned that per FM 3-24 that in COIN you must accept some risk to put the population less at risk. Wanat was simply too much risk for too little...
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    Wasn't saying it was a positive example necessarily

    You are talking Infantry training issues. But not sure given the volume of RPG and machine gun fire that those weapons would have been any more effective dismounted. One mortar was surrounded by...
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    To get back on topic....

    The reason I believe Wanat, and the Combat Studies Institute effort to document events is a valuable training scenario is that COP Kahler was a microcosm of the future Army concept of wide area...
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    Since I did not quote you it would be hard to misquote you

    Your attempt at making a mountain over the-attack-of-Libyan-air-defenses molehill, followed by the statement below, would lead most observers to infer your implication of some equivalence with your...
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    Jihadists will hate us no matter what we do. Give them a distraction.

    But at least one outcome will be virtually no Libyan aircraft or air defenses and far fewer armored vehicles for WHOEVER takes over to use elsewhere or on their own people.

    If they are going to...
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    Seem to recall I mentioned something about poor execution

    The real question is whether it conceptually made sense to have urban and tactical unattended ground sensors, plus UAS and ground combat vehicles at lower tactical echelons. The now terminated...
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    Why is this more tragic/noteworthy than other Soldiers/Marines killed by IEDs?

    Nah Pete, COL Johnson replaced COL Charles Preysler in October 2008. The battle of Wanat was July 13, 2008.

    Nothing new here. I have personally employed the final (and earlier) CSI study for...
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    Because adjusted for inflation, a F-4 bought...

    Because adjusted for inflation, a F-4 bought today would cost $13 million, not $140 million and counting with planned upgrades coming for F-22. Plus, AH-64Ds save lives daily in two conflicts. Have...
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    Have the CIA/DIA/State Dept found Bin Laden since 2001?

    They don't have a good track record, and in the case of State, once the balloon goes up, they are not much help in providing intelligence.

    There are too few CIA/DIA with the requisite language...
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    Successful attack from the sea, and 3 B-2s...so why do we need a big USAF?;)

    An example of what you described occurred during the recent Northern Waziristan attack that killed 40 with unmanned aircraft missiles. The Pakistanis promptly halt talks with the U.S., saying it was...
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    How do you know what the key nodes of the 5 rings are without troops on the ground!

    Not a legitimate scenario because views of what is acceptable vary depending on who employs the air/seapower.

    If the colonists hugged populations, hid in the woods, used anti-ship ballistic...
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    You want probability and a systematic approach? You can't handle a ..;)

    Because some want to attribute probabilities and science to warfare and budget allocations, let’s look at some possible figures.

    The first assumption balances probabilities for war over the next...
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    If you are agreeing with Warden, you aren't agreeing with me ;)

    Two points Slap:

    1) Other than the 82n ABN, it took 6 months to sea deploy to Desert Storm which did not end the problem nor did the Iraq no-fly zone. What if Hussein had continued his attack into...
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    Leaders, Processes, Infrastructure, Population, Fielded Forces

    Let's analyze COL (ret) Warden's perception that attack of the the Five Rings in the title above decreases in importance from left to right.

    Leaders:
    That's why we are conducting serial...
  21. You blamed Carl for my screw-up

    Not likely since I don't even drink. I'm perfectly capable of being irrational while sober.:)
    And I watched a TV special where a SF guy claiming he was parking cars in Memphis a year prior shot an...
  22. Guess my point is from news reports, even this...

    Guess my point is from news reports, even this informed civilian who has never been to Afghanistan, knew back when this happened that if the vehicles were coming out of Daikundi province (4th...
  23. And this is solved by flying drones out of...

    And this is solved by flying drones out of National Guard bases in the U.S. with no ground troops to coordinate with? IIRC, it was OH-58D Hellfires together with USAF Predators and SOF supervision...
  24. Where would we base our Biden Plan assets? Just...

    Where would we base our Biden Plan assets? Just Kandahar and Bagram? Would Pakistan, now in the cat bird seat, continue to allow drone flights? Cede the rest of the country to premature ANA control,...
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    Because I was talking about the cost of state and...

    Because I was talking about the cost of state and city employees, and suddenly the topic was incendiary.

    I will add that one of my Los Angeles brothers is a lawyer who once owned a Karate studio...
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