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    Shifting goalposts

    You specifically referred to "states where the US implemented the control measures of a long containment strategy that has nurtured the rise of the majority of the states that top the "least free"...
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    Debatable assertion. In Latin America, which...

    Debatable assertion. In Latin America, which probably saw the most egregious US meddling in the Cold War, the only state on the "not free" list is Cuba. Most of the states once ruled by US puppet...
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    Unless of course they take over and become the...

    Unless of course they take over and become the new oppressive regime... which they will do if they can.
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    Changes in governance, yes, but the degree to...

    Changes in governance, yes, but the degree to which US pressure was involved is debatable in all cases. In the Philippines US pressure was really not a factor at all. In other cases possibly more...
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    I don't think these governments have the...

    I don't think these governments have the slightest interest in our advice, or in our meddling, which is closer to what they would call it. Probably they wouldn't tell us that, but would listen very...
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    I quite agree that these revolts are good things,...

    I quite agree that these revolts are good things, that there's no need to fear them, that they need to happen and where they are happening we should not oppose them, and indeed that we should help...
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    I think you hugely overestimate our ability to...

    I think you hugely overestimate our ability to control others, or to steer them... especially in matters of domestic policy that they perceive as essential to their own survival.

    If we push them...
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    The Saudis, like the Libyans, have never needed...

    The Saudis, like the Libyans, have never needed our help or asked our permission to round up dissenting members of their own populace, nor would they stop doing it if we told them we didn't like it.
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    Counterproductive, I suspect. When the operation...

    Counterproductive, I suspect. When the operation ceased to be secret (wouldn't take long) those rising up would be de-legitimized, branded pawns of a meddling foreign government. Foreign...
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