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    Maybe. We do need a solid theoretical grounding...

    Maybe. We do need a solid theoretical grounding for strategy, tactics, operations and equipment capability.
    ...the problem is most is very bad, and will always be meaningless unless it translates...
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    As I said before, I'm a big fan of Isolation, at...

    As I said before, I'm a big fan of Isolation, at all levels. As concerns the conduct of operations, I'm firmly rooted in orthodox proto-modern warfare. - and you isolate to enhance destruction....
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    Sorry, but my position on this, is utterly...

    Sorry, but my position on this, is utterly consistent. I am not aware of being vulnerable to anything other than invention. You cannot capture unless you kill or threaten to kill. That which destroys...
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    Huh? Sorry you are talking drivel. I would have...

    Huh? Sorry you are talking drivel. I would have isolated Kurland just as Stalin did. What do you not get?
    Ever read the paper I wrote on isolation, as part of suppression? No?

    I don't. Yes I...
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    It is not what I "prefer". It's context...

    It is not what I "prefer". It's context dependant. There is usually a need to kill enough to make the rest give up - break their will to continue.
    Sometimes, especially in irregular warfare, I want...
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    READ WHAT I WRITE. Do not make it up.

    I agree, but ignoring all the personal commentary, and cheap shots aside, that is NOT WHAT I SAY!

    Sorry, but you are very deliberately putting words in my mouth in the most simplistic form...
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    True, but we have no reason to believe that his...

    True, but we have no reason to believe that his specific addressing of that issue would have changed his insight. I admit CvC was left incomplete, but what he did commit to paper has never been...
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    Well I was once.... Be careful here. If you...

    Well I was once....


    Be careful here. If you are going to dump an administration into this area, you are giving me a lot more work in terms of folks to protect and you are forcing more agencies...
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    OK, no real context, but... a.) You are in...

    OK, no real context, but...

    a.) You are in charge. I work for you.

    b.) I provide a service. With good enough preparation, I can find and kill/capture those who are using armed force. Given...
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    That is a grossly simplistic misrepresentation of...

    That is a grossly simplistic misrepresentation of Clausewitian teaching and observation.

    Clausewitz's thinking was informed by every armed rebellion in history, that he was aware of. The Spanish...
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    Well the use of the criminal justice system will...

    Well the use of the criminal justice system will flow from policy. In Irregular warfare, I just want to get to the kill and/or capture part, with capture always being preferable, but the choice is...
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    Aha!! - at last! :wry: Concur. Doing stupid stuff...

    Aha!! - at last! :wry: Concur. Doing stupid stuff is stupid.


    I beg to differ. Criminals and drug dealers "permeate" populations. You still go after them without forcing the population to take a...
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    So who has ever ignored the population? You do...

    So who has ever ignored the population? You do not ignore terrain.

    My effort is to take the population out the competition as a whole. They will support who ever wins. Why ask them to be part of...
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    That is what the Policy had to decide. It is that...

    That is what the Policy had to decide. It is that condition that alters the strategy, because of the cost - for France, 28,000 KIA.
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    Yes, in terms of the cost of the strategy....

    Yes, in terms of the cost of the strategy. Destroying the enemy has to be matched to the cost of doing so.
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    That is a very debatable statement. Between 1954...

    That is a very debatable statement. Between 1954 and 1962, the French Army lost 28,000 dead (avg: 300 a month). The cost of holding onto Algeria was simply too high, in terms of the strategy. The...
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    With respect, I think folks are missing the point...

    With respect, I think folks are missing the point in the emotional issues that surround torture.
    There are two critical, yet entirely separate issues.

    a.) Does it produce actionable and useful...
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