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An interesting and recent US doc on the original topic (albeit for LMG gunners rather than riflemen) can be found here;

http://www.dtic.mil/ndia/2008Intl/Spiegel.pdf

Includes exploration of...

More on the Masada here, with lots of photos;

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=103209

Now being produced as the Bushmaster ACR.

Sounds a lot like it was designed around the original concept for a submachine-gun, pioneered by the old Bergmann - that was full-auto only and (I imagine, from dry handling) would have been a pain...

I agree that it's plausible in the context of WW2, but then the best urban myths are exactly that - plausible enough to make you believe, even want to believe. From Ken's posts and what I can find in...

Leaving aside the PDW issue, save to say that the proponents would need to provide the evidence for their regular issue, not the sceptics...



I don't wish to doubt those with service...

Understood, thanks.



Incapacitate in my mind means that the enemy is unable to return aimed fire. Timeframe = the sooner the better, surely? From what I'm seeing, even 9mm is sooner and better...

Thanks Wilf.



I realise that, but it's increasingly a factor in weapon design and procurement, at least in the US. So what are your thoughts on the gel testing that shows a smaller permanent...

Let me firstly say thanks for your reply, and I'm sorry the article didn't raise the discussion in the professional or academic circles you were hoping for. The overarching argument seemed to me to...

Hi all - just a layman (museum worker) here really, but from everything I've read the small PDW calibres are woefully inadequate both anecdotally, and in ballistic gel. So I was confused to read...