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    What's really strange is that you didn't seem to notice that Reagan is in the list.

    Read your own quote of my comment, he's in the list for the very reason you cite... :eek: :confused:

    Selective attention -- or neglect -- on your part to make a point? :D

    Just FYI, I'm not a...
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    If I can interject, I don't think anyone here has really contended

    that Iraq was a 'problem.' Most seem to realize it was not a threat but was posed as one for some reason or other, the discussion is over what was the 'other.'. US domestic politics were a large...
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    I'm quite sure you're wrong

    Not on that, I agree with that...That. You're wrong about that. I'll be long gone but you can send down a note with the apology for your error... :D
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    Jingoism is one of several inheritances

    from the British and the rest of Europe that have not done the US any great favor. We were and are a bit different. British and European attitudes are fine and they work over there, many do not...
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    "Every gambit is a gamble." True and Gamblers like gambits...

    W is a gambler... :cool:I totally agree as do many in the government -- unfortunately, there are others who do not agree and the result is we have no mechanism to do that and the previously used...
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    The medium is the message...

    Who would we respond to in this case? All those probes and provocations were nominally and officially performed by non-state actors from throughout the ME. No one nation was responsible, it was an...
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    No question thast the execution was flawed.

    It was not. The "ME Street" is no more monolithic than is ours. The target was the coterie of shakers and movers that rule the various nations in the ME.It did, all have taken steps to clean up...
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    Define 'effectively.'

    Regrettably (or fortunately, viewpoint dependent), there are few metrics that one can apply to strategic outcomes due to those variables so there is rarely a measurable effect. Was US participation...
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    Too early to tell...

    Your prerogative. We can disagree on that. I think the relative state of the ME in general to include Saudi Arabia and Iran, and of south asia to include Pakistan and India -- and of the US -- in...
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    Disagreements cheerfully accepted.

    Even if most are wrong...;)

    My opinions and conjectures are based on long experience with the way the government of the US really works as opposed to what most think. I also accept, believe and...
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    Heh. There aren't any -- it's the American way...

    ChrisjM has it right. Thus far we've mostly had time to sort it out or we've been lucky and had opponents who were even less competent than we were. :wry:

    I'm not sure we should rely on that...
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    The strategic aspect of the invasion of Iraq

    had very little to do with WMD or even with remapping the ME. It was all about disruption and that disruption was on a world, to include Europe and Asia, scale. The number of things that were...
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