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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Rat View Post
    I suspect they see Corps HQs as their higher HQs without understanding the corps level of operations. My perspective from Iraq is that Div staff did not understand what Corps could do for them in terms of flexing resources, nor how Corps managed the campaign.
    I agree with your basic point, but IIRC 1 BR Corps became the ARRC - did it not? Basically the ARRC is built on what the UK knew about the Corps level of Operations. I'd also submit, that Corps level operations are extremely theatre and context specific.
    If you're telling me that UK's understanding of Corps level operations is not what it was, I'll take your word for it, and ponder as to why.
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    I think the ARRC (ex 1 BR Corps) knows its business, but that is a relatively small pool of staff in the army.

    Intermediate Command and Staff Course (Land) (ICSC(L)) which is mandatory staff training for all newly promoted majors focuses on the brigade level. The advanced staff course is joint and does not have a Land phase per se (where we used to concetrate on Div and Corps level) so...

    We have recognised we have an issue here although I am not sure what we will do about it

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    Does HCSC not cover the Joint Commander (and I presume Corps) level discussions. Or have I missed the point from my Maritime perspective; lets be honest, we'll never have a "Fleet" again....

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    I would submit that no western army has conducted a corps-level operation anywhere in the world since 1991, at least not in a tactical sense. We do have corps headquarters operating in war zones today, but their mighty warmaking faculties are typically focused on running brigade, battalion, and even company size operations.

    If and when we are called upon to do so, I suspect there will be many lessons to be relearned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eden View Post
    I would submit that no western army has conducted a corps-level operation anywhere in the world since 1991, at least not in a tactical sense.
    Maybe not in a manoeuvre sense, but MNC-I in 2007 with their Phantom Thunder and Phantom Strike operations seemed to be running Corps level operations?

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    Default i forgot...

    Surely 2003 saw Corps level manoeuvre? Let along Gulf War 1?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eden View Post
    I would submit that no western army has conducted a corps-level operation anywhere in the world since 1991, at least not in a tactical sense.
    I would disagree. OIF I definately fits the bill for Corps-level tactical operations with at least 3+ Divisions (1UK, 3Inf, 1MarDiv, TF Tarawa) maneuvering under the command of V Corps.

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