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    Council Member tequila's Avatar
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    The most interesting thing in that Israeli-sourced article to me is the emphasis on blaming Erdogan and the Turkish government. Seems to me like the Israeli-Turkish alliance is definitively over, and the Israeli right wing views Turkey as no different than Iran or Syria.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidbfpo View Post
    From an Israeli source, with details on the activists from the IHH aboard the ship, photos of weapons and more. Yes some information gained from those detained and released.

    I thought the Israelis were more savvy than that. Man did they fall for that one. Wonder when then heads will start to roll?

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    Default 22nd Century Floating Trojan Horse

    Bottom line - The fast rope of 14 troops on to a boat that had at least 100 trained islam fanatics surrounded by 500 peace protesters was, with hindsight all over this comment, criminal. I watched the pipes swinging hard at the Israeli's even before they ade it to the deck.

    The commanders who set this action up need to be courts martialed.

    There were dozens of other options.

    Just a thought! How many of the dead could have been killed by the trained muslims aboard, to raise the "Oh the Humanity" reflex. Acouple of western journalist who were covering the story from the boat went missing after the attack. Did they or their bodies ever surface?

    The Turks and Iran are deeply in each others pockets on this one. The ambush reeks of a well planned attack that shows the incompetents of the Israeli planners and the rage of muslims defending themselves against Jewish attackers.

    Someone said earlier that the pattern of attacks that are most effective is the unusual place using unusal wepons.

    JMHO as well!

    A group of International Maritime Law experts, including a very high ranking Canadian military leader are part of the group that will be studying this incident.

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    Default meanwhile, back in Gaza...

    International Committee of the Red Cross
    14-06-2010 News release 10/103

    Gaza closure: not another year!

    Geneva/Jerusalem (ICRC) - The hardship faced by Gaza's 1.5 million people cannot be addressed by providing humanitarian aid. The only sustainable solution is to lift the closure.

    The serious incidents that took place on 31 May between Israeli forces and activists on a flotilla heading for Gaza once again put the spotlight on the acute hardship faced by the population in the Gaza Strip.

    As the ICRC has stressed repeatedly, the dire situation in Gaza cannot be resolved by providing humanitarian aid. The closure imposed on the Gaza Strip is about to enter its fourth year, choking off any real possibility of economic development. Gazans continue to suffer from unemployment, poverty and warfare, while the quality of Gaza's health care system has reached an all-time low.

    The whole of Gaza's civilian population is being punished for acts for which they bear no responsibility. The closure therefore constitutes a collective punishment imposed in clear violation of Israel's obligations under international humanitarian law.

    "The closure is having a devastating impact on the 1.5 million people living in Gaza", said Béatrice Mégevand-Roggo, the ICRC's head of operations for the Middle East. "That is why we are urging Israel to put an end to this closure and call upon all those who have an influence on the situation, including Hamas, to do their utmost to help Gaza's civilian population. Israel's right to deal with its legitimate security concerns must be balanced against the Palestinians' right to live normal, dignified lives."

    The international community has to do its part to ensure that repeated appeals by States and international organizations to lift the closure are finally heeded.

    Under international humanitarian law, Israel must ensure that the basic needs of Gazans, including adequate health care, are met. The Palestinian authorities, for their part, must do everything within their power to provide proper health care, supply electricity and maintain infrastructure for Gaza's people.

    Furthermore, all States have an obligation to allow and facilitate rapid and unimpeded passage of all relief consignments, equipment and personnel.

    Israeli soldier Gilad Shalit is about to enter his fifth year in captivity. Hamas has continued to rebuff the ICRC's requests to let it visit Gilad Shalit. In violation of international humanitarian law, it has also refused to allow him to get in touch with his family. The ICRC again urges those detaining Gilad Shalit to grant him the regular contact with his family to which he is entitled. It also reiterates that those detaining him have an obligation to ensure that he is well treated and that his living conditions are humane and dignified.

    They mostly come at night. Mostly.

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    Default ...and Iran joins the show

    Iranian aid ships head for Gaza
    14 Jun 2010 09:27:23 GMT
    * First ship left Iran Sunday, another leaves this week
    * Iran says will continue until Gaza blockade lifted
    * 100,000 Iranians volunteer to crew ships - report

    TEHRAN, June 14 (Reuters) - Iran is sending aid ships to blockaded Gaza, state radio said on Monday -- a move likely to be considered provocative by Israel which accuses Tehran of arming the Palestinian enclave's Islamist rulers, Hamas.

    One ship left port on Sunday and another will depart by Friday, loaded with food, construction material and toys, the report said. The boats would be part of international efforts to break Israel's isolation of the Gaza Strip.

    "Until the end of the Gaza blockade, Iran will continue to ship aid," said an official at Iran's Society for the Defence of the Palestinian Nation.

    They mostly come at night. Mostly.

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    US urges ships from Lebanon to send aid to Gaza overland

    Wed Jun 23, 2:58 pm ET
    WASHINGTON (AFP) – The United States on Wednesday urged aid ships from Lebanon to Gaza to "behave responsibly" and avoid clashes by having the aid delivered via established land routes from Israel.

    "Direct delivery by sea is neither appropriate nor responsible, and certainly not effective, under the circumstances," the State Department said when asked if Washington has discussed Gaza-bound aid shipments from Lebanon.

    "We, along with our partners in the Quartet, urge all those wishing to deliver goods to do so through established channels so that their cargo can be inspected and transferred via land crossings into Gaza," the statement said.

    The statement referred to the Diplomatic Quartet of the United States, Russia, the United Nations and the European Union.

    "There is no need for unnecessary confrontations, and we, along with our partners in the Quartet, call on all parties to act responsibly in meeting the needs of the people of Gaza," the statement said.

    In defiance of Israeli warnings to Lebanon, organizers are planning to transport aid by sea along with dozens of Lebanese and foreign journalists to the Hamas-controlled territory.

    Organizers in Beirut said one of two aid boats planning to sail to Gaza from Lebanon has received the green light to depart for Cyprus on the first leg of a trip that aims to break Israel's blockade.

    While the vessel would also need Cypriot authorization to depart for Gaza from its shores, organizers have said they may change course before reaching the island and head straight towards the Palestinian territory.

    In Cyprus, there was no official comment on Monday on the planned trip.

    A second ship, the "Mariam," also plans to carry aid to Gaza in another attempt to break the four-year-old siege of Gaza with some 50 women-only activists on board, including 30 Lebanese.

    The "Mariam" has not yet been given permission to sail.

    Israel came under international censure over its May 31 seizure of a six-ship aid fleet bound for Gaza, in which nine Turkish activists were shot dead by Israeli naval commandos in clashes on the lead boat.
    Using an all female crew is pretty clever of the Lebanese.

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    Default Israel courts Turkey and now Greece

    There was the prospect of another flotilla trying to reach Gaza, part of which was stopped by the Greek coastguard - an episode covered elsewhere. What I wanted to draw attention to was the seemingly new Greek-Israeli relationship:

    Israel's Air Force on Monday concluded a two-week drill with the Hellenic Air Force as the two nations cemented growing ties between their militaries, recently reflected in Greece's recent move to halt a Gaza-bound flotilla set to depart from its shores.

    The joint drill was held at Greece's Larisa Air Base, and several elite Israeli squadrons, along with the IDF's elite rescue unit 669 took part in the exercise along with the Greek military.

    I am sure the Turks would have been calm at noting this, one suspects the former relationship Israel-Turkey might be entering a "cold" period.

    From the "high plane" of international affairs there's also simple logistics:
    Greek authorities contacted Israel this weekend with an urgent request for teargas grenades to be used against the wave of riots that broke out in the country last week, Athens police reported on Sunday.

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    Default Flotilla Part Deux

    For those that haven't gotten over to Information Dissemination in the past few days. This is strategic Aikido at its best. (Hat tip Zenpundit.)

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