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    Quote Originally Posted by Starbuck View Post
    We're quickly losing the art of reading physical terrain after being cooped up on FOBs in the middle of vast expanses of flat desert. This seems to be apparent in the selection of low ground for bases at Wanat and COP Keating.
    Aye to that.
    I used to be a bit of an IPB junky, until an old boy I was showing around our deployed CP pointed out to me that is was knowledge all officers (and SNCOs) should have. He'd been an Brigade IO in Normandy!

    What ever happened to Staff Rides and TEWTS? Good ones taught you about ground if nothing else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by William F. Owen View Post
    What ever happened to Staff Rides and TEWTS? Good ones taught you about ground if nothing else.
    computers and even with GIS and really neat terrain modeling software, something is lost in translation...

    That's my monthly understatement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken White View Post
    computers and even with GIS and really neat terrain modeling software, something is lost in translation...

    That's my monthly understatement.
    yeah.. not the same. Nothing like being chest deep in a river in Dorset trying to prove to your syndicate that it could be crossed without boats or infantry bridging.

    I never was that smart.....
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    Default The virtues of a reverse slope defence...

    In Light Infantry in the Defence: Exploiting the Reverse Slope from Wellington to the Falklands and Beyod, (SAMS Monograph, US-CGSC) Link in Post No.12.

    Lt Col. Archibald Galloway points out that the Argentinians had used a forward slope defensive posture in all of their defensive battles enabling the British to use direct fire ATGM, Mgs and Laws against them whereas if they had adopted the reverse slope things would have been much more difficult (p. 29)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tukhachevskii View Post
    In Light Infantry in the Defence: Exploiting the Reverse Slope from Wellington to the Falklands and Beyod, (SAMS Monograph, US-CGSC) Lt Col. Archibald Galloway points out that the Argentinians had used a forward slope defensive posture in all of their defensive battles enabling the British to use direct fire ATGM, Mgs and Laws against them whereas if they had adopted the reverse slope things would have been much more difficult (p. 29)
    Will read with interest. - but cannot due to a broken link!
    Actually a reverse slope defence requires a lot of training, and usually a lot of depth. I can agree that being out in the open on a forward slope is just plain dumb, as the Boca House position proved!
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    Try this. It's a 1985 CGSC paper.
    "On the plains and mountains of the American West, the United States Army had once learned everything there was to learn about hit-and-run tactics and guerrilla warfare."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Blair View Post
    Try this. It's a 1985 CGSC paper.
    Have to say, I read that and was impressed. The author was one of the first I've read to get the importance of the "counter-slope." - a point mostly missed by those who pontificate about "reverse slope."
    In BAOR, this was where we should have sighted our long range AT-weapons, and the prepared tank firing locations.
    Good paper - not perfect, but well worth a read.
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