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    Default In The USA: the Next Revolution

    First article of any notoriety actually calling for a Revolution in America....


    http://thehill.com/opinion/columnist...ion-in-the-air

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    Link to Zenpundit on possible collapse/revolution scenario written by Dr. Paul Craig Roberts former undersecretary during the Regan Administration. Scary stuff especially how it might happen


    http://zenpundit.com/?p=3493

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    Link to article on riot in East Point,Ga. (Atlanta area)over applications for public housing assistance.

    http://fieldnotes.msnbc.msn.com/_new...ay-after-chaos

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    The article in the initial post calls for the left wing of the Democratic Party to fight back more vigorously against Obama's middle-of-the-road policies. It isn't the usual call to arms from the Minuteman/Tea Party crowd.

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    Default Nor does it have anything to with Small Wars

    or even warfare in general. The initial op-ed is pure political foolishness.
    "Throughout the nation there is outrage in the land, revolution in the air, insurrection in the wind from the left, right and center. The political ground is shaking from gale-force winds of a national demand for powerful change in the way our corrupted and tone-deaf capital does business."
    Sheesh, creative writing at its campiest. Our Capital has been tone deaf all my life and until we start voting out all incumbents and get rid of political parties, it'll remain that way. Robert's polemic is dumber than a box of hammers.

    On that last link, the Great East Point Riot, I'm sure the left will make a big deal out of it. Out of little or nothing; "Yet no arrests were made." (LINK). I lived in Atlanta for 12 years. East Point was a minor tinder box the whole time and has remained such. The various housing authorities in the Atlanta area have been and are a bed of consistent corruption. Housing authorities nationwide have problems; to be expected when dumb Congroids promise more than we can afford or deliver...

    The Son who's an Atlanta metro area cop has a slew of tales about political shenanigans there and in Georgia Generally. The other two, the Soldat in the northeast and the Cop on the west coast also have a bunch from their regions. So does the NC Grandson in Law. Not to mention mine from here in Floridada. The point -- Flawed politics and tone deaf politicians are not restricted to DC, not by a long shot. They just make the national news easier and provide media and pundit fodder.

    The Sky is Falling, 2010 Summer Edition. Penalty of being old: it's at least the thirtieth or maybe the fortieth time that I've seen our immediate demise from internal dissent, riots, militias, etc. etc. -- and fiscal ineptitude -- predicted ...

    Oh, well, I'm still making plans for my Great Grandson's arrival and setting up a College savings account for him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken White View Post
    Nor does it have anything to [do] with Small Wars or even warfare in general.
    One could say that about many threads here.... But I agree, the op-ed is pretty much speculation on par with Fallout III. Except that Fallout has better graphics...
    "On the plains and mountains of the American West, the United States Army had once learned everything there was to learn about hit-and-run tactics and guerrilla warfare."
    T.R. Fehrenbach This Kind of War

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Blair View Post
    One could say that about many threads here.... But I agree, the op-ed is pretty much speculation on par with Fallout III. Except that Fallout has better graphics...

    Thats why I posted it under "The Whole News". The parameters of the thread topics are "Post and debate the news; good,bad and ugly. News ignored by the mainstream especially welcomed here"

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    Quote Originally Posted by slapout9 View Post
    Thats why I posted it under "The Whole News". The parameters of the thread topics are "Post and debate the news; good,bad and ugly. News ignored by the mainstream especially welcomed here"
    I know, slap. Not complaining...just commenting on the story.
    "On the plains and mountains of the American West, the United States Army had once learned everything there was to learn about hit-and-run tactics and guerrilla warfare."
    T.R. Fehrenbach This Kind of War

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Blair View Post
    I know, slap. Not complaining...just commenting on the story.
    Wasn't really for you, it chopped off the part by ken White which was supposed to be included you know how those old folks are, nothing has changed since the first revolution he will be back I am sure.
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    Talking "Oh, a lot has changed...

    ...and not much of it for the danged better." He said, grumpily in his hoarse old voice...

    [The fact that small 'l' liberals don't agree with small 'c' conservatives and that "the world is going to the Devil in a hand basket" being things that have not changed much at all since 1782. Amazing that we're still here...]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken White View Post
    ...and not much of it for the danged better." He said, grumpily in his hoarse old voice...

    [The fact that small 'l' liberals don't agree with small 'c' conservatives and that "the world is going to the Devil in a hand basket" being things that have not changed much at all since 1782. Amazing that we're still here...]
    I didn't know you were a liberal.

    I'm a Hells Angel Republican. And so is our Republican Govenor. Click on the link below for the story and then click the video to the right to see our Govenor on a Viper motorcycle!
    http://www.wsfa.com/Global/story.asp?S=12957209

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    For some interesing history on how Congress pissing off the Public is hardly new see:

    The Continental congress at Princeton, by Varnum Lansing Collins(accessible at Google Books)

    It recounts the cicumstances surrounding the 1783 Mutiny of the Pennsylvania Line and the resultant flight of the Continental Congress to Princton.

    Such helped cement the notion of our country as a Great Republic, not a Demcracy subject to the vagueries of "mob rule".

    We have the means for peaceful revolution in our hands every 2-4 years. We must simply execute it, or we get the representives we deserve.

    Of course that does not mean that I would feel sorry for the current Congreff Affembled if history were to repeat itself...

    I also hardly think the collapse of civilaization as we know it is nigh. The nightmare scenarios require that in effect the result of the world agrees to fiddle while we burn and see their own financial ruin. The US would not collapse without taking the rest of the world down with it. In the era of Globalism, we are "too big to fail".
    "All models are wrong, but some are useful"

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    Dr. Paul Craig Roberts on how greed destroyed Capitalism.


    http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.p...t=va&aid=20587

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken White View Post
    'Oh, a lot has changed ... and not much of it for the danged better. He said, grumpily in his hoarse old voice...
    Although off-topic, this story about Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr. comes to mind:

    A well-known anecdote has Holmes, riding in a carriage with a law clerk while in his nineties, passing a beautiful young woman on the street. Holmes is said to have sighed, "Oh, to be seventy again!"
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    Go to the site below and click play and watch an interactive map of US unemployment for 2007 to today.

    http://cohort11.americanobserver.net...ediafinal.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by slapout9 View Post
    Dr. Paul Craig Roberts on how greed destroyed Capitalism.
    Saying greed destroys capitalism is like saying gasoline destroys an internal combustion engine. Greed is the energy source that drives capitalism... and even socialism, once the energy source squeezes through the multiple filters of the bureaucracy.

    I don't think Capitalism has been destroyed, either, though I suspect that the carburetor could use a bit of adjustment, to continue the engine analogy....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken White View Post
    or even warfare in general. The initial op-ed is pure political foolishness.Sheesh, creative writing at its campiest.
    Could not agree more

    Our Capital has been tone deaf all my life and until we start voting out all incumbents and get rid of political parties
    Right. Like that'll happen.

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    Latest interview by Dr. Paul Craig Roberts, includes comments on Iran.


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIPoZ...eature=related

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    Default Dr. Paul Craig Roberts On Why We Need A Revolution

    Dr. Paul Craig Roberts "The Ecstasy Of Empire" or how we need a new kind of Revolution to Tax Corporations oversees profits that out source American jobs.

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.p...t=va&aid=20650

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    That's unlikely to work out well.

    The U.S. is already an exception with its taxing of income generated by its citizens abroad.
    A German doesn't need to pay German income tax if he lives (=60% or more of the year) in Monaco, for example.


    It's more important to generate jobs anyway.
    Think of a tax on international phone services. Call centre jobs would need to be moved to domestic locations and reliably put hundreds of thousands of unskilled people in labour.

    Or end the structural nonsense of the financial sector ripping off the industrial sector and its shareholders. You need roughly a fourth more industrial output to meet your material consumption level. East Asians won't deliver goods for mere promises forever - sometime they'll demand a real payment and you don't want to experience a drop of a fifth of goods consumption in your society. That would be about twice as grave as the recent crisis and it would probably break much more.

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