Mystery missile contrail stumps Pentagon

[AdamG]

Probably, assuming they have the correct time for the sighting..

One would think that a minion of the Pentagon would have been all over this like the proverbial white-on-rice in the first hour : if a layman such as I can point out 1) the hard position, bearing and time of the observer (KCBS TV helicopter crew, time marked digital tape) and 2) the database of all flights (from your aforementioned FAA database) within +/- 5 degrees of the observers' camera bearing , match target's travel vector (from point first observed to where it leaves the film frame) to one of the FAA radar tracks and it'd be real simple to say "Oh, that was Flight XXX from XXXX".*

Failure to do so has left the folks responsible for Pax Americana's perimeter security looking like smacked asses.

* Yes, I've done this before - with surface vessels. Made the E4 RTO put down his undergrad coursebook and work up the math, just to make life interesting in the TOC.

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What the spot reports probably sounded like -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GiWQZhUmmRw

[carl]

The reference cited by Entropy states that an aircraft would have taken 12-15 minutes to lay a contrail like that. If it was a missile it would have taken much less time to lay a smoke trail like that. Does anybody know how long the video in question was?

[bourbon]

Swamp gas from a weather balloon was trapped in a thermal pocket and reflected the light from Venus.

[Stan]

Entropy, great links with math to boot. Nothing like logic to dispel rumor and flawed intel

It was only a matter of time before this missile thread got hijacked but Bourbon has beat me to it

This video should at the very least clear any misconceptions about nuclear war and what happens to California

Regards, Stan

[AdamG]

Swamp gas from a weather balloon was trapped in a thermal pocket and reflected the light from Venus.

Your scientists have yet to discover how neural networks create self-consciousness, let alone how the human brain processes two-dimensional retinal images into the three-dimensional phenomenon known as perception. Yet you somehow brazenly declare seeing is believing? Your scientific illiteracy makes me shudder, and I wouldn't flaunt your ignorance by telling anyone that you saw anything last night other than the planet Venus, because if you do, you're a dead man.

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Entropy, great links with math to boot. Nothing like logic to dispel rumor and flawed intel

Declaring a problem solved without providing an answer is a Pentagon trick.

Video of object's contrail starts about about 0.28 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AMdHBgHtNE

Oh yeah, definitely a Southwest Air commuter... if it has two wings shorn off and is defying gravity. 'Zippy' is a good description, don't you think?

It was only a matter of time before this missile thread got hijacked but Bourbon has beat me to it
Regards, Stan

Scroll up to Post #6, this was already self-hijacked <pinky to lips>

Meanwhile, Pentagon thumbs remain firmly lodged in their third points of contact.
http://www.nationaljournal.com/natio...ve-it-20101110

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When someone makes an unannounced launch what looks to be a ballistic missile 35 miles from the nations second largest city (at sea in international waters), and 18 hours later NORAD still doesn't have any answers at all - that complete lack of information represents a credible threat to national security. If NORAD can't answer the first and last question, then I believe it is time to question every single penny of ballistic missile defense funding in the defense budget. NORTHCOM needs to start talking about what they do know, rather than leaving the focus on what they don't know.

- naval analyst Raymond Pritchett

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2010...hing-near-l-a/

[Stan]

Hey Adam,

Declaring a problem solved without providing an answer is a Pentagon trick.

Yep, had 23 years of practice doing the dance

Video of object's contrail starts about about 0.28 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AMdHBgHtNE

Oh yeah, definitely a Southwest Air commuter... if it has two wings shorn off and is defying gravity. 'Zippy' is a good description, don't you think?

Thanks for the video. I gotta tell ya the Russian rocket scientist with the "ballistic missile launched from a sub" was a real nice touch

This is good too !

All DoD entities with rocket and missile programs reported no launches scheduled or inadvertent, during the time period in the area of the reported contrail...

Regards, Stan

[AdamG]

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NOTAM was supposed to start three hours after the plume was seen (reported as @ 17.00 Pacific).

Marc Ambinder, who is an encyclopedia of how the government works, thinks it could be a a spy satellite. He tweets: When launching spy satellites, opsec = timing of launch... post-launch cover story can be weak.
So, basically, it could have been an impromptu satellite launch.

http://www.businessinsider.com/was-t...#ixzz14tGttNAf