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    The impression that the UK's role in this case is to gain time for the USA to make an extradition application can only be reinforced by this report in The daily Telegraph, entitled 'Wikileaks: Julian Assange facing US prosecution bid, says Joe Biden'.

    Link:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...Joe-Biden.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by JJackson View Post
    I would strongly advise against following David's link to the Today program. It was not good stuff, or a debate, it was however robust.
    Today, and its sister program PM, provide some of the UK's better broadcast news and analysis but this was a waste of their airtime as it was not two people articulating opposing ends of the debate but two idiots trying to shout over the top of each other - net result we never get to learn anything. This is not uncommon in party politics but as both were 'journalists' I expected better.
    The two represented the two extremes of this Assange/Wikileaks debate. Please don't advise people not to listen to all sides of a particular debate. I my opinion people should be encouraged and educated to personally decide on where they stand on an issue and not be guided by Big Brother.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidbfpo View Post
    JJackson,

    In response to your post:

    That is why I added in my post: and then a caveat:. Two traffic light signals I consider enough.

    I thought the BBC News item was really odd, with no meaningful explanation, nor did John Pilger IMHO explain his suspicions in the 'discussion' about a potential extradition to the USA.

    I too like BBC Radio 4's Today programme, but it has too frequent editorial lapses and gives airtime to the views of tiny minorities, such as Omar Brookes and IIRC Anjem Choudhry.

    Pilger has his very clear position, the 'discussion' was badly managed and even 'robust' is being polite - thanks JMA!
    You did well to post that David and if you find more please do so as well... I for one would welcome becoming better informed from all sides of the issue.

    This sort of stuff should be required listening for the officer corps IMHO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidbfpo View Post
    The impression that the UK's role in this case is to gain time for the USA to make an extradition application can only be reinforced by this report in The daily Telegraph, entitled 'Wikileaks: Julian Assange facing US prosecution bid, says Joe Biden'.

    Link:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...Joe-Biden.html
    David the Brits are letting themselves down very badly on this matter by selling their justice system out to please the US.

    Like for Australia Assange has (with 99% probability) broken no law in the UK and young David should have the balls to tell the yanks that both privately and on TV for international consumption.

    Assange is under house arrest with $300,000 bail for an alleged series of actions in Sweden that if convicted would receive about $1,000 fine. Yet the UK courts are treating this as if it were the espionage case of the century. How does a judge miss it that the extradition is for the minor sex related offenses and not the Wikileaks cables? (This sounds more like an episode of Judge Deeds on TV but without a judge like Deeds with a pair of steel balls.)

    The groveling of the Brits on this is sickening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JMA View Post
    David the Brits are letting themselves down very badly on this matter by selling their justice system out to please the US.

    Let's wait with such a judgement till he gets either his passport or is being extradited.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fuchs View Post
    Let's wait with such a judgement till he gets either his passport or is being extradited.
    Let me remind you that the issue before the British courts related to sexual molestation of a relatively minor nature. But somehow his bail conditions are tighter than for a mass murderer. You go figure.

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    JMA, feel free to prove that the British have ever granted bail conditions to any alleged mass murderer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fuchs View Post
    JMA, feel free to prove that the British have ever granted bail conditions to any alleged mass murderer.
    Compare the treatment of Assange with that of Augusto Pinochet

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    This case doesn't seem to help you.

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    A better example would be this one, in which it is made apparent that traveling to another country to murder your wife is 50k worse than not wearing a condom, maybe.
    Last edited by motorfirebox; 12-20-2010 at 01:41 PM.

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    Well, that's still no mass murderer.

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    A scrimmage in a Border Station
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fuchs View Post
    Well, that's still no mass murderer.
    Pinochet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AdamG View Post
    Kind of like a rock star?... or a soldier back on R&R?

    Assange is not even a playa... Russel Brand appears to be - Russell Brand bedded 9 girls in 1 night

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    Quote Originally Posted by JMA View Post
    Pinochet?
    Not regarding the accusations in the case.


    According to your link, the UK justice system had to decide on extradition in regard to

    "The charges included 94 counts of torture of Spanish citizens, the 1975 assassination of Spanish diplomat Carmelo Soria, and one count of conspiracy to commit torture".

    No mass murder allegation had to be considered, and due process in a rule of law court is to ignore accusations that are not relevant to the case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fuchs View Post
    Not regarding the accusations in the case.

    According to your link, the UK justice system had to decide on extradition in regard to

    "The charges included 94 counts of torture of Spanish citizens, the 1975 assassination of Spanish diplomat Carmelo Soria, and one count of conspiracy to commit torture".

    No mass murder allegation had to be considered, and due process in a rule of law court is to ignore accusations that are not relevant to the case.
    Thank you, now do the comparison between the bail levels and effective house arrest of Assange on low level sexual molestation charges and people of Pinochet's ilk and you tell me that accusations that are not relevant to the case were ignored.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JMA View Post
    Kind of like a rock star?... or a soldier back on R&R?

    Assange is not even a playa... Russel Brand appears to be - Russell Brand bedded 9 girls in 1 night
    Like many rock stars or Hollywood-beknighted celebrities, Assange has been trying to fill some hole in his emotional makeup by making himself the center of attention and through empty sexual conquests, along with a craven lack of responsibility for the aftereffects of his actions.

    Unlike many rock stars or Hollywood-beknighted celebrities, Assange's only talent is for digging up muck on his favorite demon, the United States.

    It'll be interesting to see what sort of abuse it was that he suffered as a child.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AdamG View Post
    Like many rock stars or Hollywood-beknighted celebrities, Assange has been trying to fill some hole in his emotional makeup by making himself the center of attention and through empty sexual conquests, along with a craven lack of responsibility for the aftereffects of his actions.

    Unlike many rock stars or Hollywood-beknighted celebrities, Assange's only talent is for digging up muck on his favorite demon, the United States.

    It'll be interesting to see what sort of abuse it was that he suffered as a child.
    Get over it. So Assange had an unsettled childhood, how does that affect matters?

    The situation here is simple, the US left a backdoor to the house open, one of its kids took stuff from the study and gave it to a man in the street who then took it to the newspapers. Lock the door, smack the kid and then... dry your eyes.

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    10 days in Sweden: the full allegations against Julian Assange

    "Both complainants say they did not report him to the police for prosecution but only to require him (Assange) to have an STD test. However, his (Assange's) Swedish lawyer has been shown evidence of their text messages which indicate that they were concerned to obtain money by going to a tabloid newspaper and were motivated by other matters including a desire for revenge."
    So I guess the question is whether they got money from the tabloid press or the CIA or whoever?

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