Page 2 of 4 FirstFirst 1234 LastLast
Results 21 to 40 of 64

Thread: General CT in Europe (catch all)

  1. #21
    Council Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Posts
    11,075

    Default Afghan Emigration to Europe Seen as Setback

    Afghan Emigration to Europe Seen as Setback

    Entry Excerpt:



    --------
    Read the full post and make any comments at the SWJ Blog.
    This forum is a feed only and is closed to user comments.

  2. #22
    Council Member davidbfpo's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    UK
    Posts
    12,206

    Default Belgain CT

    A rare, detailed article on counter-terrorism in Belguim before the latest attacks in Paris, a week after the Hebdo attack; the former were linked to a suburb of Brussels, Molenbeek:http://www.buzzfeed.com/joshuahersh/...ns#.pgNVQOLglm

    The headline & sub-title:
    What They Missed: The Anti-Terror Raid That Asked All The Wrong Questions Ten months before the deadly attacks in Paris, a nighttime raid in a quiet corner of Belgium left an apartment destroyed, two suspected attackers dead, one man arrested — and a host of unanswered questions. BuzzFeed News’ Joshua Hersh investigates a shoot-out that showed Europe’s terrorism problem starts at home.
    davidbfpo

  3. #23
    Council Member davidbfpo's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    UK
    Posts
    12,206

    Default The ISIS threat to the UK

    Taken from CTC's Sentinel an article by Raffaello Pantucci; the Abstract says:
    While clearly at the top of the Islamic State’s targeting list, the United Kingdom so far has been spared from any major terrorist atrocities at home with direct links to the Islamic State. A review of the trials of those accused of terrorist plotting in the country between 2013 and 2015 reveals that the violent Islamist threat picture has instead been dominated by lone-actor plots, with some demonstrating connections of some sort to individuals on the battlefield in Syria or Iraq. Going forward, however, the threat is likely to become more acute as the Islamic State pivots toward international terror.
    Link:https://www.ctc.usma.edu/posts/the-i...-terror-trials
    davidbfpo

  4. #24
    Council Member
    Join Date
    Nov 2013
    Posts
    35,749

    Default

    For those SWJ readers who think that IS does not drive on an intelligence driven operations concept...their attack cells use a form of OPSEC tradecraft that resembles that of spy cell tradecraft......think again.....reference today's Brussels airport bombing....we saw this as far back as 2003 in Iraq and it has not changed since 2003.

    Cells operating by the book if one gets neutralized the other one gets into action to divert attention from the first cell.....and what has come out of the Brussels major arrest....not a single use of any form of communications outside of face to face....defeats every time any form of major communications surveillance operations.

    Defeating IS cells has always been about the heavy use of police and security services to defeat them using their own tactics...not through the use of high tech which we seem to think is the be all end all.

  5. #25
    Council Member davidbfpo's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    UK
    Posts
    12,206

    Default The wider context

    Two charts which illustrate the long history of terrorism and CT in Europe, which alas do not copy:http://qz.com/558597/charted-terror-...-1970s-to-now/
    davidbfpo

  6. #26
    Council Member davidbfpo's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    UK
    Posts
    12,206

    Default

    Two more charts on deaths caused by terrorism 1970-2015 and people killed by terrorism 1970-2016 - the later includes those with an Islamist inspiration:http://www.datagraver.com/case/peopl...rope-1970-2015
    davidbfpo

  7. #27
    Council Member davidbfpo's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    UK
    Posts
    12,206

    Default Inside Europe's Terror Attacks

    BBC reporter, Peter Taylor and an assistant, have a hour long 'Panorama' documentary on:
    From highly organised cells like the one that killed 130 people in Paris, to lone attackers within our own communities, Panorama reveals how the so-called Islamic State's terror network has been operating secretly in Europe, and Western intelligence agencies' battle to stop it.
    Link:http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode...terror-attacks

    It aapeared on TV here 23rd March 2016, it clearly relies on a number of "leaks", notably from the French, supplemented by a number of interviews and especially of an ISIS suspect in French custody.
    davidbfpo

  8. #28
    Council Member davidbfpo's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    UK
    Posts
    12,206

    Default Ex-MI6 man on: Terrorism, Europe and Brexit

    Interesting contribution by Nigel Inkster, ex-SIS (MI6) and now with IISS:http://www.iiss.org/en/iiss%20voices...nd-brexit-c6ab

    An interesting part:
    Last week I featured briefly in the BBC's Panorama programme, which depicted in remarkable detail how ISIS had planned and orchestrated the complex, multi-phase Paris and Brussels attacks. As is always the way, many of my comments ended up on the cutting-room floor. But during my interview to camera I tried to explain the difficulties intelligence and security services face in dealing with transnational terrorist plots. Intelligence does not come in a regular flow and when it does come it seldom admits of only one interpretation, nor does it always lead inexorably to the next piece in the puzzle. Items of intelligence that in retrospect seem crucially important do not always seem so when they first come to light. Working in counter-terrorism is to see the world always through a glass darkly. Panorama showed that Europe's intelligence and security services knew they were facing a major problem, knew many of the actors involved and were in a desperate race with the terrorists. They were able to avert some of the plots, but could not pre-empt them all. I know from personal experience what it feels like to lose that race. Successful counter-terrorism operations involve a degree of luck. To talk of 'joining the dots', as if the complexities and uncertainties of such work can be reduced to the predictable simplicity of a child's colouring book, is not helpful.
    davidbfpo

  9. #29
    Council Member davidbfpo's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    UK
    Posts
    12,206

    Default Europe vs. America: Comparing the Terrorism Threat

    A useful commentary by Daniel Byman:https://www.lawfareblog.com/europe-v...rrorism-threat
    davidbfpo

  10. #30
    Council Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Posts
    11,075

    Default Experts: Troops in Europe Could be Next Terrorist Target

    Experts: Troops in Europe Could be Next Terrorist Target

    Entry Excerpt:



    --------
    Read the full post and make any comments at the SWJ Blog.
    This forum is a feed only and is closed to user comments.

  11. #31
    Council Member davidbfpo's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    UK
    Posts
    12,206

    Default

    Tom Rogan, an unknown writer to me, in National Review, with a rare article on CT in Germany:http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...sh-terror-cell

    One "takeaway" cited in part:
    A sustaining theme of the Daesh plots in Europe has been their ambition of sparking public fury and a backlash against Muslims on the continent. Consider the Dusseldorf plotters’ strategy of deploying Syrian men via migrant routes to massacre families on a German street: Had the terrorists succeeded, they would have fueled already significant tensions in Europe over migration from the Middle East.
    davidbfpo

  12. #32
    Council Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2015
    Posts
    844

    Default Looking at France's "homegrown" Muslim terror problem from a COIN lens

    Moderator's Note

    A debate on the Forum, started a couple of days ago on the current thread on French CT, deserves a thread - for the debate and wider implications, especially as savagery is a feature (hat tip to Adam G for his post) (Ends).

    We've all seen the atrocity in Nice, and it is safe to assume that this is a Muslim terror attack.

    Already, we have seen some calling for collective punishment (e.g. Newt Gingrich in the US) and others calling for greater intelligence coordination from French authorities.

    I wanted to look at France's terror problem in the context of the Troubles in Northern Ireland. Although commonly considered one of the few examples of successful counter-insurgency, I would argue that the British and the Catholic Republicans fought each other to a standstill and then a political solution was reached. Essentially, the Protestant loyalists could no longer treat their Catholic minority inequitably and use military and law enforcement powers to do so; nor could they also maintain paramilitaries who often had overlapping membership with local law enforcement. Relatively speaking, this political solution was simple and reasonable.

    Note that the Catholic population (~40%) numbered roughly 640,000 during the Troubles, and the IRA only had 10,000 (1.56% of population) volunteers at any given time, of which only a small portion (300 combat, 450 support) were engaged in armed attacks. Against this, the British security forces numbered some 23,000 (RUC and military).

    French Muslims number 3.5 to 5 million, but using the lower number and assuming militancy on par with the Troubles (1.56%), we come to a figure of 55,000 militants of which over 4,000 would actively participate or support a terrorist attack. This would then require over 126,000 security personnel, or 49% of the French Army and 26% of the French National Police and Gendarmerie, depending upon the breakdown. Is this possible given France's resources? And what political solution is Paris to come to? Allow for Sharia law? Create Muslim Bantu-stans? Pay off unemployed and criminal Muslim youth?

    It would be much easier to simply employ collective punishment in order to ensure that French Muslims fear the state more than their own community...
    And before the bleeding hearts come out, keep in mind that we've done it before to defeat the evils of slavery and Fascism.

    Collective punishment was used during the American Civil War and also during World War II. We have acknowledged that not all Japanese supported the IRAA and not all Germans supported the NSDAP, and that some were civilians and some were combatants. Nevertheless, the Allies considered Axis civilians legitimate targets for strategic or terror bombing unless they acted to bring down their governments and end the war.

    In fact, the Allies dropped leaflets instructing the Germans and Japanese to act against their governments if they wanted a halt in the bombing. While stories of German resistance to the NSDAP are coming to light, the fact is that there was no significant resistance of any sort after the defeat of Poland and the Western Allies: only when Germany was facing a multi-front war and was suffering due to attrition did serious opposition plots begin. While most of the populations of Germany and Japan did not conspire directly to wage aggressive war and commit unspeakable crimes, they were nevertheless complicit. In my opinion, we need to make complicity unsafe.

    Thoughts?
    Last edited by davidbfpo; 07-16-2016 at 01:32 PM.

  13. #33
    Council Member davidbfpo's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    UK
    Posts
    12,206

    Default

    Azor,

    An interesting post that.

    From my perspective 'The Troubles', which was a very violent time, although with "hot spots" in just a few places and at the end confined to South Armagh (on the Irish border). The British campaign can be seen as containment of violence until a political solution was possible. The counter-insurgency campaign was also localised, so local manpower was used (RUC & UDR) and after "hard times" was a very accurate, intelligence led struggle.

    If there was "collective punishment" it was a "recruiting sergeant" for the 'hard men', who supposedly protected their own communities. You can argue 'The Troubles' lasted so long as it was used; for many years 'hard men' escaped identification, imprisonment, with some dying.

    So collective punishment is not an option.

    COIN, if not CT, when you consider the time factor is alas slow and all too often is painful.

    I also recall in 2015 at the time of the Charlie Hebdo attack one of the senior French police officers (Gendarmerie GIGN IIRC) was a Muslim who commanded at one of the two sieges, as was the bicycle cop shot outside the Charlie Hebdo premises. How would collective punishment affect them?

    Citing you directly:
    In my opinion, we need to make complicity unsafe.
    IMHO the vast majority of Muslims are not complicit here (UK), nor in France or the USA. To some they may "sit on the fence", your option would serve our enemies first and foremost.
    davidbfpo

  14. #34
    Council Member slapout9's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Posts
    4,818

    Default Bingo!!!!!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Azor View Post
    We've all seen the atrocity in Nice, and it is safe to assume that this is a Muslim terror attack.

    Already, we have seen some calling for collective punishment (e.g. Newt Gingrich in the US) and others calling for greater intelligence coordination from French authorities.

    I wanted to look at France's terror problem in the context of the Troubles in Northern Ireland. Although commonly considered one of the few examples of successful counter-insurgency, I would argue that the British and the Catholic Republicans fought each other to a standstill and then a political solution was reached. Essentially, the Protestant loyalists could no longer treat their Catholic minority inequitably and use military and law enforcement powers to do so; nor could they also maintain paramilitaries who often had overlapping membership with local law enforcement. Relatively speaking, this political solution was simple and reasonable.

    Note that the Catholic population (~40%) numbered roughly 640,000 during the Troubles, and the IRA only had 10,000 (1.56% of population) volunteers at any given time, of which only a small portion (300 combat, 450 support) were engaged in armed attacks. Against this, the British security forces numbered some 23,000 (RUC and military).

    French Muslims number 3.5 to 5 million, but using the lower number and assuming militancy on par with the Troubles (1.56%), we come to a figure of 55,000 militants of which over 4,000 would actively participate or support a terrorist attack. This would then require over 126,000 security personnel, or 49% of the French Army and 26% of the French National Police and Gendarmerie, depending upon the breakdown. Is this possible given France's resources? And what political solution is Paris to come to? Allow for Sharia law? Create Muslim Bantu-stans? Pay off unemployed and criminal Muslim youth?

    It would be much easier to simply employ collective punishment in order to ensure that French Muslims fear the state more than their own community...
    And before the bleeding hearts come out, keep in mind that we've done it before to defeat the evils of slavery and Fascism.

    Collective punishment was used during the American Civil War and also during World War II. We have acknowledged that not all Japanese supported the IRAA and not all Germans supported the NSDAP, and that some were civilians and some were combatants. Nevertheless, the Allies considered Axis civilians legitimate targets for strategic or terror bombing unless they acted to bring down their governments and end the war.

    In fact, the Allies dropped leaflets instructing the Germans and Japanese to act against their governments if they wanted a halt in the bombing. While stories of German resistance to the NSDAP are coming to light, the fact is that there was no significant resistance of any sort after the defeat of Poland and the Western Allies: only when Germany was facing a multi-front war and was suffering due to attrition did serious opposition plots begin. While most of the populations of Germany and Japan did not conspire directly to wage aggressive war and commit unspeakable crimes, they were nevertheless complicit. In my opinion, we need to make complicity unsafe.

    Thoughts?
    I can't remember where I read the quote but it goes like this. "Culture beats Strategy"! In the end we must attack the "culture of violence" within Islam or nothing will change. But this will never happen with our current leadership. Simply saying most Muslims are "good" and then give a pass as far as responsibility simply will not work.
    Last edited by slapout9; 07-15-2016 at 06:15 PM. Reason: Stuff

  15. #35
    Council Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2015
    Posts
    844

    Default

    I use the Troubles as a benchmark, as they were perceived as "a very violent time". They were responsible for fatalities of roughly 75 per million per year. For perspective, this is roughly have of the annual death rate during the Malaya Emergency or African American intraracial homicide (given current events). Therefore, I use the Troubles as a useful benchmark.

    Back to the math, although ~1.56% of Catholics in Northern Ireland were IRA members on an ongoing basis (10,000), only ~0.12% were participating in Active Service Units (~300) or directly supporting ASU activities (~450). Arrayed against them were 25,000 soldiers, police and special forces: 7% of the police and land forces available to the UK. Again, a similar level of militancy among French Muslims would be an intolerable burden on French national security.

    Quote Originally Posted by davidbfpo View Post
    If there was "collective punishment" it was a "recruiting sergeant" for the 'hard men', who supposedly protected their own communities.
    Certainly the retaliation meted out by Loyalist paramilitaries, which mostly targeted innocent Catholics, only served to fuel IRA recruitment. In addition, the visible presence of British soldiers and the heavily armed RUC contributed to a feeling of living under occupation.

    Quote Originally Posted by davidbfpo View Post
    I also recall in 2015 at the time of the Charlie Hebdo attack one of the senior French police officers (Gendarmerie GIGN IIRC) was a Muslim who commanded at one of the two sieges, as was the bicycle cop shot outside the Charlie Hebdo premises. How would collective punishment affect them?
    Yes, I recall that as well. During the Troubles, a number of Catholic spies helped save lives and target terrorists.

    Quote Originally Posted by davidbfpo View Post
    IMHO the vast majority of Muslims are not complicit here (UK), nor in France or the USA. To some they may "sit on the fence", your option would serve our enemies first and foremost.
    What I would advocate is a two-fold approach. In any minority group with grievances, one finds egalitarians and supremacists. The "hearts and minds" approach should be directed at the egalitarians, while the supremacists are brutally crushed.

    I wouldn't suggest aggressive and visible policing of Muslim areas, but I would suggest the Nice terrorist's friends and family, as well as those of any accomplices, are seized in raids by special forces and subject to indefinite detention if the authorities cannot determine if they were involved or pose a threat. No armored cars driving through the neighborhood, no stop and searches, no harassment, just a household gone in the middle of the night. And during the day, well, social workers will be hard at work in the community attempting to make the situation better.

  16. #36
    Council Member slapout9's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Posts
    4,818

    Default General Sherman!

    We have to find another General Sherman. Sherman wrote that European style war would not work( aka Clausewitze) He decided to wage war against the entire Southern/British slave culture Infrastructure........we will have to do something similar against Radical Islam

  17. #37
    Council Member AdamG's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Location
    Hiding from the Dreaded Burrito Gang
    Posts
    2,599

    Default

    Do you people fully appreciate who - or rather, what - you're dealing with?

    A French government committee has heard testimony, suppressed by the French government at the time and not published online until this week, that the killers in the Bataclan tortured their victims on the second floor of the club.

    The chief police witness in Parliament said that an investigating officer, tears streaming down his face, rushed out of the Bataclan and vomited in front of him just after seeing the disfigured bodies.

    According to this testimony, Wahhabist killers apparently gouged out eyes, castrated victims, and shoved their testicles in their mouths. They may also have disemboweled some poor souls. Women were stabbed in the genitals – and the torture was, victims told police, filmed for Daesh or Islamic State propaganda. For that reason, medics did not release the bodies of torture victims to the families, investigators said.
    http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/07...d-victims.html


    In just the recent past, ISIS has put 25 Iraqi 'spies in muriatic acid (May 19th), in Mosul burned 19 women to death in cages in front of hundreds of #people after they refused to have sex with them (June 10th), skinned alive an Afghan (June 12th), tossed a few gay guys off a roof (June 29th), and boiled alive seven of it's own deserters (July 5th).
    A scrimmage in a Border Station
    A canter down some dark defile
    Two thousand pounds of education
    Drops to a ten-rupee jezail


    http://i.imgur.com/IPT1uLH.jpg

  18. #38
    Council Member davidbfpo's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    UK
    Posts
    12,206

    Default CT after mass killing @ Nice: a debate

    A debate on the Forum, started a couple of days ago on the current thread on French CT, deserves a thread - for the debate and wider implications, especially as savagery is a feature (hat tip to Adam G for his post).

    This post will drop from No.1 when the posts are transferred.

    The main thread on French CT is:http://council.smallwarsjournal.com/...ad.php?t=15299
    Last edited by davidbfpo; 07-16-2016 at 01:36 PM.
    davidbfpo

  19. #39
    Council Member davidbfpo's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    UK
    Posts
    12,206

    Default A former MI6 CT senior officer says

    Richard Barrett, ex-SIS, has a short article today that fits here; the actual title being 'The best defence against terrorism is to show that it does not work as a way of changing government policy or public perception'. A key passage:
    There are two strands to making terrorism less attractive. The first is to encourage public resilience to terrorism; the second is to ensure a proportionate response.
    Link: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...-it-does--not/
    davidbfpo

  20. #40
    Council Member AdamG's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Location
    Hiding from the Dreaded Burrito Gang
    Posts
    2,599

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by slapout9 View Post
    We have to find another General Sherman. Sherman wrote that European style war would not work( aka Clausewitze) He decided to wage war against the entire Southern/British slave culture Infrastructure........we will have to do something similar against Radical Islam
    What Sherman had going for him was that when it was time to go Delenda Est on the Confederates, he didn't pull his punches but as soon as resistance stopped, he was compassionate (eg; had 50,000 rations found in captured reb warehouses immediately distributed to starving civilians).

    For 21st century comparison, see also
    A scrimmage in a Border Station
    A canter down some dark defile
    Two thousand pounds of education
    Drops to a ten-rupee jezail


    http://i.imgur.com/IPT1uLH.jpg

Similar Threads

  1. Replies: 419
    Last Post: 04-09-2018, 02:59 PM
  2. Pakistani Army commentary
    By wm in forum South Asia
    Replies: 140
    Last Post: 12-11-2017, 05:51 PM
  3. General Vincent Desportes
    By SWJED in forum Futurists & Theorists
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 08-31-2008, 10:56 PM
  4. Afghan General Wants Special Forces To Fight Terrorists
    By SWJED in forum OEF - Afghanistan
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 05-04-2006, 10:05 PM

Tags for this Thread

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •