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  1. 01-25-2011 #1
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob's World View Post
    "Give unto Caesar that which is Caesar's"
    From the Christian book?
    My case is yes, war is war; but NO insurgency is not war; and foreign intervention is not COIN. History is littered with the ruins of empires who never grasped this fine point.
    Insurgency is really baby-talk for a rebellion. Rebellions is when folks seek to alter the political power being exercised over them. How is that not war?

    Empires, nations and ideas are sustained by wiping out the the rebels. Rebellion is War. Faced with a rebellion, you break the armed factions will to fight and force them conduct peaceful negotiations for their political objectives, under terms you dictate.
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    - If we can double the ratio of kills per contact, we will soon put an end to the shooting in Malaya.
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    Yes, yes, I am quite aware of the recipe for sustaining illegitimate and despotic rule over ones own populace or the populace of others. Nothing new or insightful there.

    What I speak to is how to actually address the root causes. Suppression of those who dare to challenge you is easy enough. Resolving such situations is another matter entirely, and it cannot be resolved through the principles of war or through the conduct of warfare.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob's World View Post
    Yes, yes, I am quite aware of the recipe for sustaining illegitimate and despotic rule over ones own populace or the populace of others. Nothing new or insightful there.
    ...but you cannot say what is despotic or illegitimate. The US President tells you what is legitimate and what is not. He is a politician and his statements are very relative, changeable and imprecise.

    There is no bench-mark for legitimacy. You just have a political opinion as to what is legitimate.
    What I speak to is how to actually address the root causes. Suppression of those who dare to challenge you is easy enough.
    ...but you are no qualified to address them or know what the root causes are. You just want your version of power in place, which would be pro-US and thus in the eyes of many could in no way be legitimate.
    Resolving such situations is another matter entirely, and it cannot be resolved through the principles of war or through the conduct of warfare.
    History does not support that statement.
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