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    Davis came up during yesterday’s Fresh Air interview with Robert and Dayna Baer (at about the 5:20 mark).

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    Default Immunity: fact checker

    Catching up on reading and found this WaPo piece useful, on the relevant international law on diplomatic and other staff:http://voices.washingtonpost.com/fac..._in_pakis.html
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    connected to this imbroglio:

    A serving general has admitted that drone strikes kill militants. http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/as...acks/?hpt=Sbin

    The "paknationalist" websites (said to represent "the invisibles") have targeted said General and are asking that he be court-martialled. http://www.pakistanpatriot.com/?p=34427

    Does this mean that the strain of keeping both balls in the air is beginning to show? Will General Kiyani and Pasha have to lean one way or the other? stay tuned.
    My guess is they will lean both ways by not saying anything. Which is a bit sad, because as the reception of this statement in the Pakistani blogosphere makes clear, the psy-ops impact of the army changing its tune and openly coming out against the "militants" can be HUGE. My guess though is that the army will not come out cleanly on one side...More of the same is the most likely next step. And he may even be fired, which would be a way of leaning the other way rather firmly...

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    Omar:

    Do you think he said this on his own or was he cleared to say it as sort of a trial ballon?

    Also, I read the Pak Army is going to mount an additional operation this spring I think in North Waziristan. Could this have anything to do with that?
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    Default Spy for a spy: the CIA-ISI showdown over Davis

    A good analysis / comment on the wider context and ends with:
    However, the ISI needs the CIA as much as the CIA needs the ISI. Pakistan is increasingly beset by militant groups and the state seems both insouciant about the nature of some of the threats to Pakistan and its citizenry and less than capable of dealing with those threats it has acknowledged and taken on.

    Unless these two spy organizations can find a workable peace that acknowledges and begrudgingly accommodates the other's concerns, the security of both of our countries will be at risk. And if the recent past is any guide, Pakistanis will bear the brunt of the terrorist rampages.
    Link:http://afpak.foreignpolicy.com/posts..._raymond_davis
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    I dont think "ISI" has one policy. Their Islamist cell definitely does NOT have any problems with failure to defeat certain terrorists that the state has decided to target. Their pro-China cell is OK with dragging things out. There seems to be no "pro-Pakistani-people" cell...you may be wrong in your assumption that they WANT things to get better in Pakistan in a "western" sense. Some of them really truly do think that a mess suits them just fine for now...

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    its the exact same article, but the headline is more emphatic..http://rupeenews.net/?p=35412

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    Default Pakistan frees CIA contractor Raymond Davis

    Pakistan frees CIA contractor Raymond Davis

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    According to the BBC, “blood money” – very likely from the U.S. government – was paid to the relatives of the three Pakistani men killed in the Davis affair. The BBC reported that under Pakistani law, relatives of a murder victim can pardon the alleged killer. In Davis’s case, 18 members of the victims’ families appeared at a court hearing and requested Davis’s acquittal, after receiving “blood money” payments.

    For background on the Raymond Davis affair, see this post.

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    And he’s out.

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    A "from the horse's mouth" summing up from Brigadier Shaukat Qadir, and some discussion of the same: http://www.brownpundits.com/2011/03/.../#comment-6280

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    Omar:

    The most interesting thing to me about all this has to do with the orchestrated media firestorm that you mentioned and the blood curdling street demonstrations after the arrest. After the release, nothing much seemed to happen. Which leads me to believe the General sahibs really can turn a lot of things on and off at will.
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    . The establishment has a lot of control over the "above-ground" religious parties and groups and can indeed turn them on and off at will, but this game has its limits.
    See the following article by Fasi Zaka. He uses a lot of Urdu terms in this article, but you will get the gist:http://tribune.com.pk/story/136238/f...arz-and-fasad/

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    Default Anger management issues???

    LINK.

    Not enough info to tell...

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    A thorough NYT article on the background to this incident, a three-way contest between the US Embassy (Islamabad), the CIA and a variety of Pakistani players. Nothing new on my reading, more a reminder of what happened.

    The headline is rather OTT 'How a Single Spy Turned Pakistan Against the United States'.

    Link:http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/14/ma...nted=all&_r=3&
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