Quote Originally Posted by bumperplate View Post
the desired end state: to have a govt in place that can do the fighting and run the country without being or becoming a safe haven for those that will do us harm.
Five months shy of a decade and we still aren't there. If you include opium growers, heroin smugglers and their protectors among those that will do us harm, we're a very long way from achieving success as you've defined it.