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    Default Tactical Situation and Legal Situation

    Hello Toronto,

    As to the tactical situation, I think the facts will keep changing for the simple fact that the media's sources are X steps removed from the original sources, the Seal operators. Of course, we are unlikely to see their after-action reports themselves; but, a week or two from now, may find us with firmer facts - or with a huge media circus as to what the facts "are" (with parsing of the word "are" ).

    Comments about tactics should be reserved to them "that's been there, done that" - e.g, Bill Moore and Polarbear1605 just in this immediate thread; but there is a Bn or so here at SWC that have dealt with residential buildings in one way or the other.

    As to the legal situation, let's take the Express story as a hypothetical (leaving out the wife, which needlessly complicates the story; and leaving open the possibility that the final double tap came from two operators, not a material fact anyway):

    [1]... the first Seal team came under small-arms fire from a guest house as they entered the compound. The commandos returned fire, killing Bin Laden’s courier Ahmed al-Kuwaiti and the courier’s wife, who died in the crossfire.

    [2] The Seals were never fired on again. As they entered the main residence, they saw a man standing in the dark with one hand behind his back. Fearing he was hiding a weapon, they shot and killed the lone man, who turned out to be unarmed. However, as they moved through the house, they noticed several stashes of weapons. The team then climbed a staircase, where they ran into one of Bin Laden’s sons rushing down. They killed the son, who was also unarmed.

    [3] On the third floor, the Seals threw open the door to Bin Laden’s bedroom. ... the ... commando turned his gun on Bin Laden, standing in what appeared to be pyjamas, and fired two quick shots, one to the chest and one to the head.
    Legally, this is about the same situation that I set as a hypothetical one week ago in another thread here, Basic hypothetical and (to include Astan or Pstan), A follow-up. Various comments to those posts also apply here.

    Going through the three parts of the legal situation:

    1. "...came under small-arms fire". Not material under broad rules[*], though it provides two reasons to shoot. The wife's death introduces the issue of "collateral damage" (a term I dislike, but that is what is used). That gets into another set of rules.

    2. "The Seals were never fired on again" - not material to a declared hostile force situation, though I suppose one might say that male + nearby arms = a hostile threat. The key factual issue in a declared hostile force situation is positive ID (PID). The AQ guys don't wear uniforms and are among civilians trying to look like civilians. Which is one factor as to why more civilians have been killed since WWII than combatants.

    3. OBL is a PID and can be killed unless he manages to surrender before he is shot. No requirement exists that an attacker make surrender offers.

    The foregoing is a simplistic explanation. Life is more complex even under "broad rules" of war. More "restrictive rules" make life even more complex for the attacker.

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    [*] Working Definitions

    I use "rules" generically, including Laws of War (LoW; aka Laws of Armed Conflict, International Humanitarian Law; including various conventions and some state practices), Rules of Engagement (ROEs, includes Standing Rules of Engagement, SROEs, developed by US JCS), Rules for Use of Force (RUFs; including SRUFs), Rules for Escalation of Force (EOF).

    I am using "broad rules" as shorthand for US Wartime rules (Hague + 1949 Geneva + US additions), where kill is allowed if either set of facts exist:

    1. The target presents a hostile act or hostile threat and is killed in the defense of self or others; OR

    2. The target is positively ID'd as a member of an armed force declared to be hostile - whether the target is then armed or otherwise hostile is not material;

    and, where, the burden of making non-combatants and civilians safe is placed on the defenders of the targeted location, not on the attackers.

    The rights of the attacker are limited by more "restrictive rules", as in the 2009 San Remo ROE Handbook, which I have to discuss at some point; along with some points asserted by Ms O'Connell in her more formal 2010 article.

    For example, the burden of protecting non-combatants and civilians in a building could be cast on the attacker; the declared hostile force rule could be removed; and the target would have to directly participate in hostilities.

    In short, under "restrictive rules", the Seal going into the OBL residence might have fewer rights in his favor than I do under Michigan law if I am confronted by a home invader.

    Regards

    Mike
    Last edited by jmm99; 05-06-2011 at 06:36 PM.

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