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    Today's SWJ Blog news feed had an article from Army Times, available here, about what the Army CoS regards as being its main challenges today. It might have generated great comment on this forum were it not overshadowed by current stories about OBL, Libya and the Arab Spring. Among other things it mentions Ken's pet-rock subject, the personnel system. To me it's a "Good of the Service" kind of thing. Anyone have any comments about it?

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    The AT was somewhat misleading in the article (maybe just the title). These were the findings of a study group to the CSA. These weren't the CSA's priorities.

    Still, the findings were telling.

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    Yes, it was the report of a DA-level Special Studies Group, not what Dempsey has in mind. During my DoD consulting days I found the Army reg on SSGs -- they'e formed ad hoc to look at specific situations or problems that happen to be troubling the highest levels of DA.

    The solutions for lesser problems are often supported by briefings, studies and documents for the top leadership but they often -- not always -- support decisions that have already been made. One of Shy Meyer's preferences was for officers with alternate specialties in Operations Reseach. An O5 combat arms guy told me the inside joke within the ORSA community was the question asked at the outset of each study -- "Which answer do you want to hear?"

    As for other Washington DC gossip -- in the 1980s an ex-Marine and former Special Forces officer told me Max Thurmond was gay. He said he saw him French-kissing in a Georgetown bar with an African-American gentleman, then the Chief of Personnel for Army Materiel Command. It helps to explain where Clinton was coming from at the time. Shortly thereafter Thurmond died suddenly. Perhaps that story is true but it might be from a guy with an agenda.
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    Max Thurman may or may not have been gay -- don't know, don't care -- but character assassins abound and Max made a lot of enemies; mostly folks who couldn't cut it.

    His brother, John R. was also a lifelong bachelor and both were more than Monk like in many of their habits. John R. was the older, retired as a three button and died not long after Max.

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    Pete,

    Not that this is a bad thing, but most of these problems are old news and I'm glad the new CSA is going to continue working on them. I was somewhat surprised about the airing of dirty laundry in bullet one, but do we need a SMA if he isn't meeting regulary with th CSA and Secretary of the Army as a holiistic leadership team. Sounds like an easy fix, and suspect it will be.

    Maybe it is due to my SF up bringing, I think drill and ceremony has little to do with the profesion of arms. We have song for that in SF called the "garra trooper". Focusing on mindless uniformity, D&C, inspections (after basic training) will distract from combat training IMO. If it can be done in moderation (to ensure we maintain our important traditions) I'm all for it, but I have seen it to many times when garra troopers made their careers by focusing on everything but war fighting.

    I wish the new CSA the best, the Army will need a strong leadership team to guiide it through the turbulent times ahead.

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    Drill and ceremonies could easily be brushed up on with only an hour or two of practice a month in company- and battery-sized elements. Barracks inspections and the like are as much for training junior NCOs on how to square away their troops as they are for the eyewash aspect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Moore View Post
    Pete,

    Not that this is a bad thing, but most of these problems are old news and I'm glad the new CSA is going to continue working on them. I was somewhat surprised about the airing of dirty laundry in bullet one, but do we need a SMA if he isn't meeting regulary with th CSA and Secretary of the Army as a holiistic leadership team. Sounds like an easy fix, and suspect it will be.

    Maybe it is due to my SF up bringing, I think drill and ceremony has little to do with the profesion of arms. We have song for that in SF called the "garra trooper". Focusing on mindless uniformity, D&C, inspections (after basic training) will distract from combat training IMO. If it can be done in moderation (to ensure we maintain our important traditions) I'm all for it, but I have seen it to many times when garra troopers made their careers by focusing on everything but war fighting.

    I wish the new CSA the best, the Army will need a strong leadership team to guiide it through the turbulent times ahead.

    "Garet Trooper" by SSGT Barry Sadler US Army Special Forces
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