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    Back to subject of sustained marching with loads or going straight into a fight after a hard march: I think the best 20th Century historical examples would probably be the Chindits and Marauders from WWII's CBI and the Mobile Guerilla Forces (Blackjack Projects) from Vietnam.

    Don't know what they averaged but I imagine the info is out there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rifleman View Post
    Back to subject of sustained marching with loads or going straight into a fight after a hard march: I think the best 20th Century historical examples would probably be the Chindits and Marauders from WWII's CBI and the Mobile Guerilla Forces (Blackjack Projects) from Vietnam.

    Don't know what they averaged but I imagine the info is out there.
    ...the Long March, Chinese invasion of Tibet, the 85% foot-mobile German army in 1940-1945?

    And now prepare for the usual reminder:
    There were campaigns in military history (even WW2!) that did not involve anglophone troops on either side.

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    Fuchs: The classic image of German infantry marching in WWII depicts them carrying an equipment belt, rifle, helmet and not much else. No big mongo pack in sight. The would imply wagons along to carry things. Is that what more or less was?
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    Yes, infantry platoons had their own carts - typically a small wagon with one or two small horses ('Panje' horses) in 1942-1945 on the Eastern front.

    An infantry division was (April 1940) supposed to have 16,860 men, 1,743 riding horses (especially for officers, scouts and couriers), 3,632 cart horses and 895 horse carts. The quantity of cart horses and carts had to be increased after immense horse losses in late 1941; the replacements were more resilient, but also weaker Russian horses, and their smaller carts.
    Often times former Red Army soldiers (especially minorities) were employed as volunteers for many logistical tasks - charioteer was a typical task. These volunteers often received German uniforms, but without rank insignia. Some even received iron crosses and other medals. Speaking about such volunteers in German language is of course not very PC.


    Typical rifle company:
    3 horse carts each 2 horses or 3 horse carts each 1 horse + 1 cart with 4 horses
    1 field kitchen cart with 4 horses
    1 supply train (Verpflegungstroß I) with 1 horse cart + 2 horses

    Companies were also supposed to have some 3 metric ton trucks. Military vehicles were required to have a marching gear for 4 km/h (foot march speed). Civilian vehicles were more typical post-mobilisation, of course.

    Quick source: "Das Handbuch der deutschen Infanterie", Alex Buchner,

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