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    Quote Originally Posted by LawVol View Post
    Have we focused too much on the "war of terror" and thus dropped the ball in the Pacific? Is this issue evidence of our need to pursue a different strategy with respect to terrorism, so we can remember the big picture?
    I would say yes. I think China jumps up and down whenever we spend massive resources on wars of choice instead of building a country for the 21st Century.

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    Default The China Question

    All, if you get a chance watch this tonight. Check your local listings.


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    In a BBC report on the PRC's aircraft carrier is a small map of the South China Sea and the disputed islands (my IT skills preclude placing it here):http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-13692558

    The dotted line showing China's claims do make one pause for thought.
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    Don't worry about the south china sea look what they want to do in Boise,Idaho.



    http://endoftheamericandream.com/arc...of-boise-idaho

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    Slap:

    That story is a little breathless, the implication being the thousands of Chinamen are going to be establishing an enclave in Idaho, sort of the Shanghai legations reversed. I'll believe it when I see it. If the Chinese want to build businesses and facilities in Idaho, essentially giving us money, let 'em at it. The Idahos won't care who signs the paycheck as long as it doesn't bounce.

    The story also contains this quote:

    "The borrower is always the servant of the lender, and now China is buying up America."

    That is true unless you get into really big money, then the situation is reversed. Or so says Donald Trump.
    Last edited by carl; 06-08-2011 at 04:38 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by carl View Post
    Slap:

    That story is a little breathless, the implication being the thousands of Chinamen are going to be establishing an enclave in Idaho, sort of the Shanghai legations reversed. I'll believe it when I see it. If the Chinese want to build businesses and facilities in Idaho, essentially giving us money, let 'em at it. The Idahos won't care who signs the paycheck as long as it doesn't bounce.

    The story also contains this quote:

    "The borrower is always the servant of the lender, and now China is buying up America."

    That is true unless you get into really big money, then the situation is reversed. Or so says Donald Trump.
    Carl, maybe you are right but what I thought was most interesting was the concept of a self sustaining city.....what exactly does that mean? Invasion by we(China) have a better idea on how to run things.

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    China warned Asian neighbors Thursday to stop searching for oil near the disputed Spratly Islands and vowed to assert its sovereignty over the potentially petroleum-rich territory in the South China Sea despite rival claims.
    China and the Philippines have swapped diplomatic protests over the islands, with Filipino officials accusing Chinese forces of intruding into Manila-claimed areas...
    http://www.newsday.com/business/chin...1.2942569?qr=1
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    Default The Old Man and The South China Sea

    The newly youthful (26!) Lee Kuan Yew comments (article seems partly Engrish translation):

    Former Prime Minister of Singapore Lee Kuan Yew, 26, said that the U.S. is able to counterbalance the growth of China as the sole full strength, so keeping the U.S. interest in the region is very important.

    Lee Kuan Yew is on the “Future of Asia” at the annual meeting to clarify this point. Asia-Pacific Annual Conference brings together the country’s political leaders and business leaders.

    He said, the key is to keep American interest in the Western Pacific region.

    His hundreds of entrepreneurs, academics and students, said: “You can beat Japan, South Korea, ASEAN, even with Taiwan and India, but you can not compete in China. It is too big. Only the United States and its advanced technology to counterbalance China. “
    Lee - Only the United States and its advanced technology to counter China - China News - June 5, 2011.

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    US not coming to PH aid vs China

    The United States yesterday said it will not side with any party in the Spratlys conflict, which is to say that the Philippines’ most powerful ally will not be coming to its aid should its spat with China escalate into a shooting war.

    The US Embassy made this clear yesterday in reaction to a Malacañang statement earlier yesterday expressing confidence that Washington would honor its commitment under the two countries’ Mutual Defense Treaty to come to the aid of a beleaguered ally.

    “The US does not take sides in regional territorial disputes,” the US press attaché Rebecca Thompson said in an e-mailed statement when contacted for comment to deputy presidential spokesperson Abigail Valte’s invoking of the 60-year-old MDT.

    Thompson said the US was “troubled by incidents in the South China Sea in recent days that have raised tensions in the region” and that Washington opposes “the use or threat of force” by any of the countries with rival claims to the Spratly islands.
    http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/14118/u...h-aid-vs-china

    This would upset those who have any strategic relationship or Defence Pact with the US and none would like to enter such agreements in future.
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    US Eyes Singapore Base


    June 6, 2011

    The US Navy will establish a new presence in Singapore as a staging location for its latest class of warship.

    Defence Secretary Robert Gates announced plans for the presence during his visit to Singapore last week.......

    According to the Singaporean Defence Ministry, those steps include deploying to Singapore ‘one or two’ of the new Littoral Combat Ships current under construction in the United States. The 400-foot-long, high-speed warships, optimized for shallow-water operations, would be the first US military vessels permanently stationed in the tiny Southeast Asian country, although the Navy for many years has maintained a support facility there.
    http://the-diplomat.com/flashpoints-...ingapore-base/

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    Vietnam has raised the stakes a little more in its current row with China, calling on the United States and others to step in and help find some kind of resolution.
    http://the-diplomat.com/china-power/...-foreign-help/
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    Quote Originally Posted by carl View Post
    I don't mind getting high sounding even if others roll their eyes when I do,
    Carl, I don't know about high sounding or eye rolling, but at least you're willing to come on the council and engage with people who may not agree with you. There's plenty of them that spout off on the Taiwan issue that don't.

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