Here we go...
https://www.theguardian.com/world/li...gunfire-ankara
Miltary Coup in Turkey and the consequences
Here we go...
https://www.theguardian.com/world/li...gunfire-ankara
Where is Outlaw 09 on this? I expected up-to-the-minute translated social media feeds!
The BBC News has several reports and comments. I am no expert on Turkey, let alone its military, but the attempted coup was a disaster before it started. The President was not "at home" and was able to broadcast a call for supporters to take to the streets - amplified by CNN. My recollection is that previous coups have been without initial bloodshed and undertaken by all the high command.
It is almost as if the plotters have achieved what the AKP and President Erdogan have been unable to do - unify everyone behind them.
That the police arrested the soldiers involved is very different, IIRC the police have always been "second class" to the military and will the accused now appear in civilian courts?
davidbfpo
Have enough to do with Ukraine and Syria.....while Erdogan was democratically elected does not mean I fully support every action he has taken in the last four years....Originally Posted by Azor
Where is Outlaw 09 on this? I expected up-to-the-minute translated social media feeds!
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Erdogan blames a guy from the Poconos for Turkey coup. Forget Dugin was in Ankara pushing Turkey closer to Russia, away from US/NATO "enemy"
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Erdogan supporter with sign of extreme right-wing Grey Wolves posing against lynched dead soldier.
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Azor...BTW this interests me more......
More we know what has followed after so called #TurkeyCoupAttemp more reasons we have to think the Coup was real...& #Erdogan was behind it.
Some 'pro coup' soldiers, now in custody, reportedly thought #Turkey coup attempt was just an exercise - AP
1st thing Turkey coup plotters did was take over TV station. Remember Russia's Strelkov did same in Donetsk #Ukraine https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...arade-captives …
TurkeyCoup
- 265 dead
- 1600+ injured
- 3000+ soldiers arrested
- 2700+ judges arrested
- US airbase closed
- Coup ongoing in some areas
After Incirlik airbase has been shut down, multiple Russian airstrikes target Azaz in north rural #Aleppo, #Syria, several civilians killed
BREAKING: Turkish Defence Minister says it is too early to say that a possibility of a military coup is totally suppressed - @ragipsoylu
Eve 1: "We finished them."
Eve 2: "Ah, no, we didn't yet."
Eve 3: "Give us 6 more months." ?!
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Erdoğan speaks of foreign forces who want to pit army against the people at Istanbul rally #Turkey
Istanbul: Reports of heavy clashes at Tuzla districts military garrison
Some coup loyalists were at Incirlik, home to nuclear weapons & US troops/planes. A rebel jet refueled there. Serious ramifications.
EchoSec picking up lots of posts about pro-government demonstrations in Istanbul tonight
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This was not a coup for today
A really good article that dissects the coup and why cyber power crippled them. Note President Erdogan was in a plane, having left his holiday venue and was hitting the keyboard.
Link:https://medium.com/@thegrugq/cyberpo...780#.bg0sqqrvb
davidbfpo
Yes I do wonder if it was a sting operation where the AKP used its loyal commanders to lure opposition ones into a coup before withdrawing support. Ergdogan is using this to expand executive power further and to arrest judges. If the coup isn't over yet and it's only a small faction in the military, then why are the intelligentsia being purged? Very false flaggy to me. The conspirators never captured any of the government leadership. Whereas Erdogan called pro-AKP crowds to the streets to take on soldiers who were never going to mow them down, now there's a curfew...
Incirlik
Outlaw 09, it is curious how the base fits into the failed coup:
The base was shut down and electricity cut off
The base houses 90 nuclear bombs (tactical, free-fall)
Aircraft involved in the coup re-fueled at the base
Given the sudden Russo-Turkish rapprochement, and indications that the failed coup may have been incited (sting) or wholly (false flag) launched by the government itself in order to consolidate political and legal power further, as well as Turkish suggestions that the US was behind the coup, perhaps this is part of a process to oust US forces from Turkey?
BTW...this US Senator is an avid Assad supporter.....
As an American...cannot say much about my own elected officials these days as it appears they really know nothing about the world we all live in.....
Senator Dick Black
@SenRichardBlack
Good news of the day: Military attempting to oust Turkish dictator #Erdogan #TheManWhoWouldBeHitlerAssad's friend Senator Dick praises Turkey military coup against elected government.
A US senator praising a military coup against a legally and democratically elected official makes one think just how democratic this Senator really is...???
Even I have my differences with where Erdogan is headed but he still is in the eyes of his civil society a democratically elected official..and that has to be respected at all costs......
AND even non Erdogan supporters went into the streets to support the government WHY.... the Turkish civil society differently remembers what it was like to live under a military dictatorship....
Assad fights people with tanks
Erdogan fights tanks with people
Pro #Assad gang celebrated #TurkeyCoup and now accuse civilians of wrongfully put down the military. Cynics. https://twitter.com/shehabifares/sta...63708729516036 …
Last edited by davidbfpo; 07-16-2016 at 05:00 PM. Reason: Moved from Syria thread with one other post.
Famous Syrian rebel singer-turned-commander in a pro-govt protest in Turkey shouting against Assad. An apt metaphor.
Hassan Hassan @hxhassan
I can't emphasize enough how this mess emanates from a flawed perception of Erdogan's popularity, in Turkey & beyond. Media created a bubble
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Erdogan: "US have to give us #Gulen if we are to cooperate together." In meantime, 1,500 Americans at #Incirlik can't go in, out or fly.
BREAKING: Erdoğan speaks live, calls U.S to hand over Fethullah Gulen if U.S is strategic ally - @CNNTURK_ENG
Remarkable demand from a so called NATO ally......
Haaretz.com
✔ @haaretzcom Kerry: Turkey would have to prove wrongdoing by Gulen for U.S. to extradite him
http://htz.li/61H #TurkeyCoup
ISIS didn't waste time: taking advantage of Incirlik Airbase shutdown it is advancing in #Manbij-N. #Raqqa w/ several assaults vs #SDF/#YPG
Manbij: #ISIS has started a new offensive against #YPG around #Manbij from multiple axis. #ISIS fighters advancing now.
Kyle W. Orton @KyleWOrton
From AKP/Erdogan POV, U.S. is: supporting the PKK, came in very late to support the govt against a coup, and refuses to hand over Gulen.
Kyle W. Orton @KyleWOrton
Should say: I have seen no evidence Gulen had anything to do with the coup attempt (or any of the other conspiracies he's accused of).
Incirik Air Base, housing 90 US nuclear weapons, shut off from power.
http://fb.me/4iIr10Rog
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NOTICE anything with this comment when you read the above.....???
Dugin in Ankara day b4 coup: Turkey & Russia have same enemy–US hegemony & it's instrument radical islamic terrorism http://katehon.com/news/alexander-du...ference-ankara …
BREAKING: Secretary of Labor Süleyman Soylu live on news channel Haberturk: "The US is behind this coup"
Dugin gave speech in Ankara yesterday, today says Turkey "forever Eurasian" after coup. Bad feeling about this.
https://twitter.com/JvanDijkS/status/754303063373086721 …
THIS is critical to understand......as it ties nicely into Dugin's comments.....
The Russian narrative re: Turkish coup seems perfectly coordinate among all RU storytellers
http://katehon.com/agenda/pro-american-coup-turkey …
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Erdogan's Lawyer on The Fight to Extradite Fetullah Gulen
Separate thread for maximum visibility.
Posted in this forum because of the implications from the content.
Podcast won't be available until something like 12 hours after this post.
http://www.wnyc.org/story/erdogans-american-lawyer/The fallout from last month's failed coup in Turkey against President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan's government has lead to the detainment and firing of around 67,000 officials across nearly every aspect of Turkish society.
Not included in that number is the man accused of being responsible for every one of them, the alleged leader of the coup: Fetullah Gulen, a reclusive Muslim cleric living in self-imposed exile in rural Pennsylvania since 1999.
A former ally of President Erdoğan until 2013, Gulen is the founder of the Hizmet movement and the organization the Alliance for Shared Values, which teaches a form of Islam that embraces science, education, and interfaith dialogue. He's earned millions of followers both in Turkey and internationally, and is said to also have established around 800 schools worldwide, from Africa to right here in the United States.
Robert Amsterdam, a founding partner of Amsterdam & Partners, is currently working with the Turkish government on its extradition case against Gulen. The Turkish government wants extradition for allegedly inspiring the coup, but Amsterdam says that Gulen's entrenchment in the American political and education system is reason enough to prosecute.
A scrimmage in a Border Station
A canter down some dark defile
Two thousand pounds of education
Drops to a ten-rupee jezail
http://i.imgur.com/IPT1uLH.jpg
An interesting choice of lawyer - hired by Turkey - with human rights cases fought:http://www.amsterdamandpartners.com/...ert-amsterdam/
On HR their website says:There is a US-Turkey extradition treaty and this article explains briefly what is required. One British extradition lawyer opinion is that Gulen could be extradited, but points out an application would fail in Europe due to HR issues:http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/an...tion-641832093Amsterdam & Partners is committed to holding states accountable for their violations of the human rights of their citizens and residents. Through high-profile political advocacy, engagement with international and regional institutions, and collaboration with human rights organisations, the firm continues to challenge the abuse of state power on behalf of affected individuals and organisations.
davidbfpo
That would be a useless move. Not only are the bombs being withdrawn to Romania due to the coup d'etat attempt, but a Russian provocation of that nature would result in the following:
1. US deployment of tactical nuclear cruise missiles launched from the air or sea that are not bound by the INF Treaty or New START.
2. A guarantee that the LRSO will be developed and fielded.
3. Redeployment of nuclear gravity bombs to US Carrier Strike Groups.
4. Massive deployment of Aegis Ashore, Patriots and THAAD throughout NATO.
5. Repeated public condemnation.
6. French and British development of tactical nuclear weapons.
Thanks David.
US nuclear deployments are classified as a rule, so while FP and WOTR have valid points, they simply don't know.
In all likelihood, the US was considering removing the bombs prior to the coup attempt and after the shootdown.
Note that these weapons may simply be withdrawn entirely. They can be re-deployed on carriers, which would be far more politically simple...
The sources were rather weak, David, and I wouldn't say that Romania is a permanent home for these bombs.
They may well be permanently stationed in Western Europe or placed in reserve in the US.
However, I can't see them remaining at Incirlik given Turkey's instability.
Sources:
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