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    Default Turkey is heading down a deeply dangerous path

    A short commentary on the path taken by the Erdogan-led AKP government, including taking over this week an opposition newspaper:http://tahirabbas.co.uk/index.php/no-freedom-no-speech/

    It ends with:
    People in Turkey remember the dark days of the 1980s and 1990s, when ethnic and sectarian violence was the norm, with people sharply divided politically, culturally and economically, and when a dark and gloomy cloud hung over the nation without hope or opportunity. The irony is that half of the nation regards anything the ruling party does as perfectly acceptable in the current climate of actual terrorism in the form of far left violence, Islamic State bombings and the perennial bogeyman, the PKK, resurfacing as Turkey’s most sinister enemy within. With an immense electoral mandate, the AKP leadership sees itself as untouchable. Such hubris is often the pride before the fall.
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    Default Bombing in Ankara: who is fighting who in Turkey?

    A short article after recent events:https://theconversation.com/bombing-...-turkey-56223?

    Which concludes:
    So brace for further attacks on Turkey’s major centres of population. The tragedy is that the more regular these become, the more polarised civil society will become in the country. The prospect of communal violence against minority Kurdish populations in parts of Turkey is growing more likely and an end to the conflict seems further away than ever.
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    Default Opinions on violence

    Via Twitter. This may explain some of the context for recent mayhem and murder in Turkey.

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    A two part piece on Defence-in-Depth blog by Bill Park, a Kings War Studies academic, reviewing Turkey and the Kurds. The first part ends:
    In fact, many Kurds are assimilated, but the Turkish state has never embraced or even truly grasped the fact that Kurds are at least as different from Turks as, say, Poles are from Germans or, if preferred, the Irish and Scots are from the English. There will be no settlement of Turkey’s Kurdish question until and unless Turks accept the ethnic, linguistic, cultural and historical distinctiveness of the twenty percent or so of Turkey’s citizens that are ethnically Kurdish rather than Turkish. There are few serious signs that this recognition is imminent.
    Link:https://defenceindepth.co/2016/06/08...e-east-part-1/

    The second part looks at the trans-border aspects and ends pessimistically that after one century of conflict, nothing has changed.
    Link:https://defenceindepth.co/2016/06/13...e-east-part-2/
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    Default Turkey Teetering on the Razor`s Edge of Terror: The Istanbul Ataturk Airport Attacks

    Turkey Teetering on the Razor`s Edge of Terror: The Istanbul Ataturk Airport Attacks

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    Default Miltary Coup in Turkey and the consequences


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    Where is Outlaw 09 on this? I expected up-to-the-minute translated social media feeds!


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    BTW...this US Senator is an avid Assad supporter.....

    As an American...cannot say much about my own elected officials these days as it appears they really know nothing about the world we all live in.....

    Senator Dick Black
    ‏@SenRichardBlack
    Good news of the day: Military attempting to oust Turkish dictator #Erdogan #TheManWhoWouldBeHitlerAssad's friend Senator Dick praises Turkey military coup against elected government.

    A US senator praising a military coup against a legally and democratically elected official makes one think just how democratic this Senator really is...???

    Even I have my differences with where Erdogan is headed but he still is in the eyes of his civil society a democratically elected official..and that has to be respected at all costs......

    AND even non Erdogan supporters went into the streets to support the government WHY.... the Turkish civil society differently remembers what it was like to live under a military dictatorship....

    Assad fights people with tanks
    Erdogan fights tanks with people

    Pro #Assad gang celebrated #TurkeyCoup and now accuse civilians of wrongfully put down the military. Cynics. https://twitter.com/shehabifares/sta...63708729516036
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    Famous Syrian rebel singer-turned-commander in a pro-govt protest in Turkey shouting against Assad. An apt metaphor.

    Hassan Hassan ‏@hxhassan
    I can't emphasize enough how this mess emanates from a flawed perception of Erdogan's popularity, in Turkey & beyond. Media created a bubble
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    The BBC News has several reports and comments. I am no expert on Turkey, let alone its military, but the attempted coup was a disaster before it started. The President was not "at home" and was able to broadcast a call for supporters to take to the streets - amplified by CNN. My recollection is that previous coups have been without initial bloodshed and undertaken by all the high command.

    It is almost as if the plotters have achieved what the AKP and President Erdogan have been unable to do - unify everyone behind them.

    That the police arrested the soldiers involved is very different, IIRC the police have always been "second class" to the military and will the accused now appear in civilian courts?
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    Erdogan: "US have to give us #Gulen if we are to cooperate together." In meantime, 1,500 Americans at #Incirlik can't go in, out or fly.

    BREAKING: Erdoğan speaks live, calls U.S to hand over Fethullah Gulen if U.S is strategic ally - @CNNTURK_ENG

    Remarkable demand from a so called NATO ally......

    Haaretz.com
    ✔ @haaretzcom Kerry: Turkey would have to prove wrongdoing by Gulen for U.S. to extradite him

    http://htz.li/61H #TurkeyCoup

    ISIS didn't waste time: taking advantage of Incirlik Airbase shutdown it is advancing in #Manbij-N. #Raqqa w/ several assaults vs #SDF/#YPG

    Manbij: #ISIS has started a new offensive against #YPG around #Manbij from multiple axis. #ISIS fighters advancing now.

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    From AKP/Erdogan POV, U.S. is: supporting the PKK, came in very late to support the govt against a coup, and refuses to hand over Gulen.

    Kyle W. Orton @KyleWOrton
    Should say: I have seen no evidence Gulen had anything to do with the coup attempt (or any of the other conspiracies he's accused of).

    Incirik Air Base, housing 90 US nuclear weapons, shut off from power.
    http://fb.me/4iIr10Rog
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    NOTICE anything with this comment when you read the above.....???

    Dugin in Ankara day b4 coup: Turkey & Russia have same enemy–US hegemony & it's instrument radical islamic terrorism http://katehon.com/news/alexander-du...ference-ankara

    BREAKING: Secretary of Labor Süleyman Soylu live on news channel Haberturk: "The US is behind this coup"

    Dugin gave speech in Ankara yesterday, today says Turkey "forever Eurasian" after coup. Bad feeling about this.
    https://twitter.com/JvanDijkS/status/754303063373086721

    THIS is critical to understand......as it ties nicely into Dugin's comments.....

    The Russian narrative re: Turkish coup seems perfectly coordinate among all RU storytellers
    http://katehon.com/agenda/pro-american-coup-turkey
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    Quote Originally Posted by Azor View Post
    Where is Outlaw 09 on this? I expected up-to-the-minute translated social media feeds!

    Have enough to do with Ukraine and Syria.....while Erdogan was democratically elected does not mean I fully support every action he has taken in the last four years....

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    Erdogan blames a guy from the Poconos for Turkey coup. Forget Dugin was in Ankara pushing Turkey closer to Russia, away from US/NATO "enemy"
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    Erdogan supporter with sign of extreme right-wing Grey Wolves posing against lynched dead soldier.
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    Azor...BTW this interests me more......


    More we know what has followed after so called #TurkeyCoupAttemp more reasons we have to think the Coup was real...& #Erdogan was behind it.

    Some 'pro coup' soldiers, now in custody, reportedly thought #Turkey coup attempt was just an exercise - AP

    1st thing Turkey coup plotters did was take over TV station. Remember Russia's Strelkov did same in Donetsk #Ukraine https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...arade-captives

    TurkeyCoup
    - 265 dead
    - 1600+ injured
    - 3000+ soldiers arrested
    - 2700+ judges arrested
    - US airbase closed
    - Coup ongoing in some areas

    After Incirlik airbase has been shut down, multiple Russian airstrikes target Azaz in north rural #Aleppo, #Syria, several civilians killed

    BREAKING: Turkish Defence Minister says it is too early to say that a possibility of a military coup is totally suppressed - @ragipsoylu
    Eve 1: "We finished them."
    Eve 2: "Ah, no, we didn't yet."
    Eve 3: "Give us 6 more months." ?!
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    Erdoğan speaks of foreign forces who want to pit army against the people at Istanbul rally #Turkey

    Istanbul: Reports of heavy clashes at Tuzla districts military garrison

    Some coup loyalists were at Incirlik, home to nuclear weapons & US troops/planes. A rebel jet refueled there. Serious ramifications.

    EchoSec picking up lots of posts about pro-government demonstrations in Istanbul tonight
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    Default This was not a coup for today

    A really good article that dissects the coup and why cyber power crippled them. Note President Erdogan was in a plane, having left his holiday venue and was hitting the keyboard.
    Link:https://medium.com/@thegrugq/cyberpo...780#.bg0sqqrvb
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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Azor...BTW this interests me more......


    More we know what has followed after so called #TurkeyCoupAttemp more reasons we have to think the Coup was real...& #Erdogan was behind it.

    Some 'pro coup' soldiers, now in custody, reportedly thought #Turkey coup attempt was just an exercise - AP

    1st thing Turkey coup plotters did was take over TV station. Remember Russia's Strelkov did same in Donetsk #Ukraine https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...arade-captives

    TurkeyCoup
    - 265 dead
    - 1600+ injured
    - 3000+ soldiers arrested
    - 2700+ judges arrested
    - US airbase closed
    - Coup ongoing in some areas

    After Incirlik airbase has been shut down, multiple Russian airstrikes target Azaz in north rural #Aleppo, #Syria, several civilians killed

    BREAKING: Turkish Defence Minister says it is too early to say that a possibility of a military coup is totally suppressed - @ragipsoylu
    Eve 1: "We finished them."
    Eve 2: "Ah, no, we didn't yet."
    Eve 3: "Give us 6 more months." ?!
    Yes I do wonder if it was a sting operation where the AKP used its loyal commanders to lure opposition ones into a coup before withdrawing support. Ergdogan is using this to expand executive power further and to arrest judges. If the coup isn't over yet and it's only a small faction in the military, then why are the intelligentsia being purged? Very false flaggy to me. The conspirators never captured any of the government leadership. Whereas Erdogan called pro-AKP crowds to the streets to take on soldiers who were never going to mow them down, now there's a curfew...

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    Default Incirlik

    Outlaw 09, it is curious how the base fits into the failed coup:

    The base was shut down and electricity cut off
    The base houses 90 nuclear bombs (tactical, free-fall)
    Aircraft involved in the coup re-fueled at the base

    Given the sudden Russo-Turkish rapprochement, and indications that the failed coup may have been incited (sting) or wholly (false flag) launched by the government itself in order to consolidate political and legal power further, as well as Turkish suggestions that the US was behind the coup, perhaps this is part of a process to oust US forces from Turkey?

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