Cultural deterrence?

[marklewis1979]

Hello,

I am working on a Masters thesis that seeks to analyze the conditions behind provocations to the religion of Islam and the severity of the reaction to them. Both scenarios in which there was an adverse, violent reaction such as those in response to the Danish cartoons or the Qur'an burning by Terry Jones, as well as the complete lack of response such as after France banned Islamic face veils will be considered.

Essentially the paper will attempt to explain why such disproportionate expressions of rage take place when and where they do, and hopefully offer predictive value on what can be expected in response to future events.

I view the responses as being primarily incited by Muslim leaders due to the fact that some time passes between the offense and the reaction, as though waiting for the right time to exploit the Muslim community's sensitivities. This begs the question ... Exploiting them to what end?

While the anger and violence may be a genuine response to what is perceived as insulting Islam, can the whole issue be seen as a sort of cultural deterrence, an attempt to signal to the secular West that the sacrilege we tolerate will not in like manner be tolerated when directed at Islam? Or are there political goals that these agitations play a roll in achieving where religion is the means but not the end?

Anyway, I have been impressed with the insight folks on this discussion board have had on other topics and was hoping to get some feedback on these questions. Thanks in advance!

-Mark

[ganulv]

Essentially the paper will attempt to explain why such disproportionate expressions of rage take place when and where they do, and hopefully offer predictive value on what can be expected in response to future events.

While the anger and violence may be a genuine response to what is perceived as insulting Islam, can the whole issue be seen as a sort of cultural deterrence, an attempt to signal to the secular West that the sacrilege we tolerate will not in like manner be tolerated when directed at Islam? Or are there political goals that these agitations play a roll in achieving where religion is the means but not the end?

The politics of outrage is hardly unique to the Ummah. Whether Islamic outrage has a particular flavor is a fair question. My sense is that aniconism, for example, is an issue for most Muslims in a way that most non-Muslims simply don’t get. But in these public outrage events there are clearly alt of things going on that are not exclusive to Islam (like identity and cultural politics).

I view the responses as being primarily incited by Muslim leaders due to the fact that some time passes between the offense and the reaction, as though waiting for the right time to exploit the Muslim community's sensitivities. This begs the question ... Exploiting them to what end?

Take yer pick! But seriously, you should always look at the local context of the responses. I suspect you will I encounter no little variation, though that variation might well be amenable to categorization.

Deaing with religion you will inevitably run into epistemology issues. May I suggest Clifford Geertz’s article “The pinch of destiny: religion as experience, meaning, identity, power” (available in the:http://press.princeton.edu/TOCs/c6780.htm

[bourbon]

Or are there political goals that these agitations play a roll in achieving where religion is the means but not the end?

Yes, I believe historically speaking there are; however, who knows about nowadays with the way things can go viral.

One interesting example involves the violent reaction to the book The Satanic Verses, and Ayatollah Khomeini’s issuing of a fatwa against the book’s author Salman Rushdie. Khomeini issued his fatwa in response to a 10,000 person riot over the book that took place in Islamabad, Pakistan two days prior. The Islamabad riot was actually provoked by the Pakistani ISI in an effort to destabilize the government of then Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto.

[davidbfpo]

There was a very good explanation for this furore being manufactured by Iran, the cartoons had already been given media attention in the Arab World, notably in Egypt and no real public reaction let alone violence. So why their re-appearance? Iran was facing an expected diplomatic defeat at the UN Security Council, over nuclear issues and Denmark was chairing the UNSC.

[Tukhachevskii]

I think it’s easy, and dangerous, for us to fall into the trap of thinking that a few rabble rousers manipulate people into actions they would not otherwise consider. There have to be a set of predispositions which are triggered. This is a complex issue, and not one which can be examined without fully understanding the Islamic view of the world (or weltanshauung). For instance, it is not enough to state, in the Chinese case, that both the Chinese and NATO countries have a word for deterrence and therefore they both share the same concept (they don’t). Similarly, one must get to grips with the moral concepts that animate Muslims and the role and place they have within that particular practico-ethical universe. For instance, we understand persecution/oppression to mean, in ordinary language usage, physical or structural constraints on the liberty of individuals or groups entailing violence of a structural (physical) or moral (ideological) kind. In the Islamic mind persecution is an all encompassing concept that includes the notion of criticising Islam or Muhammad or even rejecting the Islamic mission (etc.). I would suggest, firstly, you look at situational action theory for a methodological approach which examines social action as dependent upon normative and socially accepted forms of what constitutes legitimate and non-legitimate responses to situations of stress (you could call this a meta-narrative or a tradition, etc.). Secondly, the following books (and article) may be of use;

Collinson, Rethinking Followership: A Post-structuralist Analysis of Follower Identities (examines the outmoded approach of an unthinking mass manipulated by “instigators” and also provides an overview of the state of the art as well as an argument for social action to be viewed as “dramaturgical”; which he thankfully explains).

Thiele, The Heart of Judgement

Akhtar, Quran and the Secular Mind: A Philosophy of Islam (a critique of externalist accounts of Islam which states that Islam and Muslims should be understood on their own terms, through their own ethical and political concepts).

Murawiec, The Mind of Jihad (absolutely essential reading and covers a similar approach to yours via anthropology and social-psychology)

Mathewes, Understanding Religious Ethics (section on Islam)

And, two works which have been out of print for some time but which should be essential reading,

T. Izutsu, Ethico-Religious Concepts in the Quran &

T. Izutsu, God and Man in the Quran: Semantics of the Quranic Weltanschauung

[Rex Brynen]

This is a complex issue, and not one which can be examined without fully understanding the Islamic view of the world (or weltanshauung).

I would argue that there isn't an Islamic view of the world, but rather a variety of understandings of Islam that in turn only comprise part of the attitudinal prism of any individual or group.

[Tukhachevskii]

I would argue that there isn't an Islamic view of the world, but rather a variety of understandings of Islam that in turn only comprise part of the attitudinal prism of any individual or group.

I think we might have to agree to disagree on that. I think, from the sources I've read (which are dotted about the SWC), that there is a core cluster of concepts that are mutually reinforcing around which differing practices gravitate and upon whom the pull varies according to situation. The metaphors aren't too helpful I'm afraid but I would argue that there is a "generative" centre (not Chomsky's generative grammar but a similar sort of idea) or an ethico-practical episteme which demarcates the interor and exterior of the Islamic field (as discursive practice) which seesm to gell with what Muslims and various Muslim written texts would argue. I think the Ituzu works above are probably much cleaer than I could ever be (I abonded theory during Uni during my post-structuralist literary phase and regret it now, it's useful if only for furnishing a common vocabulary).

[marklewis1979]

Thanks guys,

These replies are exactly what I was hoping for. I completely agree that local political conditions require examination to help explain reactions, and David, your comments about why Denmark, and why then, perfectly illustrate the issue.

I also fully agree with Tukhachevskii in that there would not be such on-demand success for violent rioting in the Islamic world, or Islamic cultural pockets in the West, if it were not for a fundamentally receptive audience, and this point will be a foundation to my thesis. Also, thank you for directing me to the paper on situational action theory. This is precisely the subject matter I need to incorporate into the paper.

I have a mountain of research ahead of me, so these referrals are gold!

-Mark

[Marc]

Hello,

I am working on a Masters thesis that seeks to analyze the conditions behind provocations to the religion of Islam and the severity of the reaction to them. Both scenarios in which there was an adverse, violent reaction such as those in response to the Danish cartoons or the Qur'an burning by Terry Jones, as well as the complete lack of response such as after France banned Islamic face veils will be considered.

Mark,

For a good overview of the links between differing interpretations of Islamic law and their (in)compatibility with western secular law see "Western Muslims and the future of Islam By Tariq Ramadan". Tariq Ramadan is Hassan Al-Banna's grandson (Hassan Al-Banna is the founder of the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood). He is living in Europe and publishes extensively on legal and societal implications of Muslim immigration in Europe.

[Abu Suleyman]

I am working on a Masters thesis that seeks to analyze the conditions behind provocations to the religion of Islam and the severity of the reaction to them. Both scenarios in which there was an adverse, violent reaction such as those in response to the Danish cartoons or the Qur'an burning by Terry Jones, as well as the complete lack of response such as after France banned Islamic face veils will be considered.

If this is a thesis it would help a lot to know what discipline you are focusing on. The question you are really asking depends a lot on whether you are primarily looking from a sociological, political, historical and so on perspective .

Furthermore, I would identify my assumptions and levels of analysis. Do you believe that all people are the same, and some just happen to be Muslim and others not [an assumption] and you are trying to figure out when communities do this [a level of analysis], or are you trying to discover whether there is something about Muslims that makes them riot more [different assumptions and levels of analysis]. If you don't do that then you will just go around in circles, as people debate what it is that you are actually talking about. Furthermore, you will have an almost endless reading list of various explanations from the influnces of media, to government manipulation of religion and so forth.