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    Cool Imperial compression.

    Most wanna-be Empires or quasi empires don't succeed at all. Turkey will be a force with which to reckon but they're unlikely to go beyond a regional bubble. Same applies to Indonesia -- and a couple of others here and there.

    Most Empires of real power, OTOH, do have worldwide sway but each has generally had a shorter life than its predecessors. Compression at work facilitated by the ever increasing ease and speed of communication. That doesn't bode well for China -- or India. We were never going to be on top for long, we aren't mean enough -- unless we're badly provoked (and many in the world have by now figured out pretty much where that line is...).

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    Default Hi Ken and Adam,

    Some good thoughts here - since I agree with the basic premises :

    Imperial compression.

    Most wanna-be Empires or quasi empires don't succeed at all. Turkey will be a force with which to reckon but they're unlikely to go beyond a regional bubble. Same applies to Indonesia -- and a couple of others here and there.

    Most Empires of real power, OTOH, do have worldwide sway but each has generally had a shorter life than its predecessors. Compression at work facilitated by the ever increasing ease and speed of communication. That doesn't bode well for China -- or India. We were never going to be on top for long, we aren't mean enough -- unless we're badly provoked (and many in the world have by now figured out pretty much where that line is...).
    You might expand this into a thesis (I'm half-serious - but neither of us needs a thesis to qualify ).

    I think Adam's ref. (going back and founded in Mackinder) has validity. "Pax Americana" (a term I first heard from ny roommate in 1965) never really had a chance. So, more regional powers can be expected in the future.

    From my armchair, we will have in the "World":

    1. A "Westphalian Era" set of powers that are not "hollow"; they will have real power, but with limitations.

    2. A "Post-Westphalian Era" set of non-powers that are "hollow" as "Hell to the Proverbial Christian".

    3. A "Dark Ages" set of geographical areas (e.g., Somalia) that are simply in a "State of Chaos" - see, Naji, The Management of Savagery (2006) for an AQ methodology to handle that.

    Of course, if I were Mackinder, I would focus on the Western Hemisphere as the "Island Center" ("Pivot Area") - the Atlantic and Pacific littorals being the force projection outliers for US (my typical song and dance ).

    I see the future as an "interesting time" (as in the Chinese curse) for me, where "International Law" will be very non-uniform. That situation will be resisted by the I Law pundits because it is contrary to their Brooding Omnipresence in the Sky.

    Regards

    Mike

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    Default A man after my own heart...

    Quote Originally Posted by jmm99 View Post
    1. A "Westphalian Era"...

    2. A "Post-Westphalian Era" set of non-powers...

    3. A "Dark Ages" set of geographical areas...

    ... the Atlantic and Pacific littorals being the force projection outliers for US (my typical song and dance ).
    All that, yes -- but mostly for this:
    ...all of my suits are garbaged - except for one blue blazer.
    Me too, Bofus...

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    Default We'll see what Moore says ...

    but, I'm having a lot of satisfaction rebuilding my 15-year-old lawn mower.

    And, while I'm contractually barred from indulging in the "active private practice of law", that does not prevent me from diving into "public law" - as in looking at ROEs in combat situations; and in answering Polarbear1605's questions, as one example.

    The best of all worlds as far as I'm concerned.

    Regards

    Mike

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    For a little tangential nugget to fuel the flames of this conversation, read :


    The U.S. launched 97 percent of the Tomahawk cruise missiles that crippled Gadhafi's air defenses at the start of operation. And throughout, the U.S. also provided about 75 percent of all the aerial refueling and reconnaissance flights and supplied key targeting and intelligence assets such as unmanned drones.

    "Without critical American assets this would not have been possible and I suppose one could argue that if the operation had to go on too much longer it also would not have been possible," says Ian Lesser executive director of German Marshall Fund's trans-Atlantic center in Brussels.

    "Clearly Europe was very, hard pressed," Lesser adds, "They were running out of stocks. The lesson really is that the US and Europe together need to refine their defense planning and procurement so they can get more for the amount they can spend."
    http://www.npr.org/2011/09/12/140292...ya-a-new-model
    A scrimmage in a Border Station
    A canter down some dark defile
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    Drops to a ten-rupee jezail


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