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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken White View Post
    As always I totally agree militarily and practically but still cite the political infeasibility of longer tours for both nations. In both nations, the domestic political desirability will always outweigh the military optimum unless there is an existential issue. In Afghanistan (and Iraq) there was no such issue.

    Both Armies knew all that so they accepted the rules. That excuses neither Army for not doing a better job of training or placing rotations to maximize the capability attainable. Both could have done a far better job at that but Gurkha's comment about "inflated opinions" allied with super egos interfered...
    As a follow up...

    I read in that Washington Post article about the concern that after 11 years in Afghanistan lamenting the cross-cultural issues which remain. One wonders whether any of the new generation of soldiers know that famous quote out of Vietnam to illustrate the point?

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    I continue to be amused that there are little or no offers of how greater operational continuity could be achieved given the imposed limitations or what improved system could be sold to the idiots in your congress (that would have some chance of success).

    ...or maybe someone may be willing and able to support the current failed system... (thereby possibly gaining a few "Brownie points" in the process). Any takers?
    JMA, for the love of God, stop trolling. What point are you trying to prove besides parading your annoying approach (on second thought--don't answer that)?

    If you haven't figured it out by now, folks have stopped feeding the pigeons for the most part when one comes flopping into threads looking for trouble, because dealing with the #### is a pain in the ass.

    Go back to the RLI thread and stay industrious there.

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    Some additional data on "green-on-green" attacks, that is insider attacks within the Afghan Army and police:

    Afghan troops killing colleagues in greater numbers

    Even as attacks by Afghan security forces on NATO troops have become an increasing source of tension, new NATO data shows another sign of vulnerability for the training mission: even greater numbers of the Afghan police and military forces have killed each other this year.

    So far, Afghan soldiers or police officers have killed 53 of their comrades and wounded at least 22 others in 35 separate attacks this year, according to NATO data provided to The New York Times by officials in Kabul. By comparison, at least 40 NATO service members were reported killed by Afghan security forces or others working with them.

    Both figures fall under what officials call insider attacks, and both numbers have climbed sharply over the past two years, Western officials say. But while officials say that a vast majority of attacks on Western forces are born out of outrage or personal disputes, the Afghan-on-Afghan numbers are said in larger part to reflect a greater vulnerability to infiltration by the Taliban.

    Further, there are concerns about cultural clashes within the rapidly expanding Afghan forces themselves, Afghan and NATO officials say, raising questions about their ability to weather the country’s deep factional differences after the NATO troop withdrawal in 2014.

    “Three decades of war can play a pivotal role in the internal causes,” said Maj. Bashir Ishaqzia, commander of the Afghan National Police recruitment center in Nangarhar Province. He said one of the biggest challenges for the army and police forces was a lasting “culture of intolerance among Afghans, as well as old family, tribal, ethnic, factional, lingual and personal disputes.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by jcustis View Post
    JMA, for the love of God, stop trolling. What point are you trying to prove besides parading your annoying approach (on second thought--don't answer that)?

    If you haven't figured it out by now, folks have stopped feeding the pigeons for the most part when one comes flopping into threads looking for trouble, because dealing with the #### is a pain in the ass.

    Go back to the RLI thread and stay industrious there.
    LOL... I guess that means you have nothing to contribute on this issue

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