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    Calderon is probably clean and untouchable; but what good is that when everyone else around him becomes tainted by narco-money? How can Gen. Perez Molina avoid the same fate?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bourbon View Post
    Calderon is probably clean and untouchable; but what good is that when everyone else around him becomes tainted by narco-money? How can Gen. Perez Molina avoid the same fate?
    That's a really good question.

    I guess it's really the test of nation, not of Calderon and not of Perez Molina. It's something that we in the US have to ask ourselves also. How can our leaders reduce the use of drugs in the US, when everybody around us wants to get high?

    It's pithy for us to say that "good leadership" can solve this, but a cultural slide is a cultural slide. It may be that the cultural processes are too strong both on the user and the seller side for this to be overcome by the single-man leadership model.

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    Blast from the past...

    http://ph.news.yahoo.com/former-guat...012409900.html

    Former Guatemala dictator Rios Montt found guilty of genocide

    Former Guatemalan dictator Efrain Rios Montt was found guilty on Friday of genocide and crimes against humanity during the bloodiest phase of the country's 36-year civil war and was sentenced to 80 years in prison.

    Hundreds of people who were packed into the courtroom burst into applause, chanting, "Justice!" as he received a 50-year term for the genocide charge and an additional 30 years for crimes against humanity.

    It was the first time a former head of state had been found guilty of genocide in his or her own country.

    Rios Montt, 86, took power after a coup in 1982 and was accused of implementing a scorched-earth policy in which troops massacred thousands of indigenous villagers. He proclaimed his innocence in court.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dayuhan View Post
    Blast from the past...

    Former Guatemala dictator Rios Montt found guilty of genocide

    http://ph.news.yahoo.com/former-guat...012409900.html
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    I guess they hadn't invented "pop-centric" yet.

    But wait, isn't this the guy that Saint Ronald of Reagan said was "totally dedicated to Democracy"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dayuhan View Post
    I guess they hadn't invented "pop-centric" yet.
    Well, Rios Montt did have the beans (for those toeing the government line) or bullets (for everyone else) thing. The civil war might have been shortened if he had been as dedicated to keeping the first part of the promise as he was to keeping the second.

    It seems to me that history is telling us that the absolutely ruthless ways that the Guatemalan and Sri Lankan governments took to counterinsurgency are more likely to be successful than any post-9/11 COIN 2.0. And both of those still took decades!

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    But wait, isn't this the guy that Saint Ronald of Reagan said was "totally dedicated to Democracy"?
    One of the things an Estonian friend of mine and I share in common is time spent in Guatemala. He once told me, "You know how much I love Reagan and how much I appreciate what he did for my country, but he was dead wrong on Central America."
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    Quote Originally Posted by ganulv View Post
    One of the things an Estonian friend of mine and I share in common is time spent in Guatemala. He once told me, "You know how much I love Reagan and how much I appreciate what he did for my country, but he was dead wrong on Central America."
    Coming from another place where Reagan had it dead wrong, it was a bit jarring to encounter Eastern Europeans who thought he was absolutely wonderful. Eventually realized, of course, that different places have different perspectives, and policies that were disastrous in one place may have been effective in others.

    I vividly remember the day when (then VP) Bush I praised Ferdinand Marcos for his adherence to democracy and to democratic principles. I introduced myself as a Canadian for a while.
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