British Gurkha's: what is the position?

[Misifus]

I heard some scuttle that they guys were being treated shabbily by the UK with regards to pensions/retirements and options for citizenship. And also that the Gurkha program has ended. Any truth to this?

[davidbfpo]

I heard some scuttle that they guys were being treated shabbily by the UK with regards to pensions/retirements and options for citizenship. And also that the Gurkha program has ended. Any truth to this?

You are out of date.

In 2008 a campaign started to recognise the contribution of the Gurkha soldiers in British service after their retirement, it took off when an actress Joanna Lumley took up their cause and as HMG learnt to its cost she was indomitable:http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8061342.stm

The UK then made a decision to allow Gurkhas and families to stay in the UK upon retirement. That is not without controversy as they have congregated in a few places:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-15712930

To learn more on the campaign search on the BBC News website with Joanna Lumley as the search name.

Who are the Gurkhas?http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-10782099

The size of the Gurkha contingent has shrunk a lot in the last fifteen years, principally after the UK left Hong Kong in 1997 and the last IISS figure was 3,500. Two infantry battalions, one in Brunei (rented to the Sultan) and one in the UK; plus several support companies and hundreds "beefing" up other units.

Note the Indian Army has ten times the number of UK Gurkhas (unable to readily find a number).

[Misifus]

Thanks! Good info. Nice to know these men are still appreciated.

But I don't consider myself out of date when I am asking. I would only consider myself out of date if I am proclaiming.

I had met with a UK lady named Lillian Wong, who works the Africa Desk in the UK. This was in Luanda. She mentioned that some Gurkhas were soon to arrive to take her over to the embassy. In that conversation she told me about their plight and that the program would be ending. That's why I asked when I saw the subject header here. The two I met were very gentlemanly soldiers and it was nice to finally meet some from this legendary caste of soldier.

[Ray]

Note the Indian Army has ten times the number of UK Gurkhas (unable to readily find a number).

1 Gorkha Rifles 5 battalions (previously 1st King George V's Own Gurkha Rifles (The Malaun Regiment)).
3 Gorkha Rifles 5 battalions (previously 3rd Queen Alexandra's Own Gurkha Rifles).
4 Gorkha Rifles 5 battalions (previously 4th Prince of Wales's Own Gurkha Rifles).
5 Gorkha Rifles (Frontier Force) 6 battalions (previously 5th Royal Gurkha Rifles (Frontier Force)).
8 Gorkha Rifles 6 battalions.
9 Gorkha Rifles 6 battalions.
11 Gorkha Rifles 7 battalions and one TA battalion (107 Inf Bn (11GR) (raised after the independence of India).

[Ray]

The Tripartite Agreement on the Indian Independence is what governed the division of the Gorkha Regt between India and the UK.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gurkha

[Red Rat]

I heard some scuttle that they guys were being treated shabbily by the UK with regards to pensions/retirements and options for citizenship. And also that the Gurkha program has ended. Any truth to this?

The Gurkhas were historically never part of the British Army, they served in the Indian Army. On Indian Independence some of the Gurkha battalions were brought into the British Army, however the deal that was struck was that they served under the same terms and conditions of service (TACOS) as the Indian Army battalions.

Despite serving under the same basic TACOS as the Indian Battalions conditions of service were generally better in the British battalions and their take home pay was greater due to various allowances they received. Although poorly paid by British standards they were extremely well paid by Nepali standards.

The various Gurkha welfare organisations launched a campaign, adopted by Joanna Lumley (UK media star) for parity in Gurkha TACOS with British soldiers and the right to abode in the UK. This campaign was successful and had the precise effect that the UK Army suspected it would have:

• Increased social problems in the UK as Gurkha families settle in the UK
• Lessening of the inflow of capital into Nepal as Gurkhas choose to bring families into the UK and retired Gurkhas move to the UK rather then take their pensions and settle in Nepal.
• Bringing Gurkha soldiers TACOS in line with UK soldiers has caused manning and career management issues leading to redundancies.
• AT a time of a shrinking Army it is hard to justify maintaining Gurkha battalions when we are losing British battalions; Gurkhas are no longer the cheaper option.

I have served with Gurkhas, they are great, but like all soldiers have their strengths and their weaknesses. I can amplify on any of the points above, but my feeling is that the change to the Gurkha system has severely threatened their long term viability in the British Army.

[Misifus]

Red Rat,

Thanks for the reply. I was under the impression that Nepal itself was prohibiting their citizens from voluntarily becoming Ghurkas and that this was part of the genesis on why Ghurkas wanted to become UK citizens instead of going home. Is this true?

Thanks again,

M

[Red Rat]

Red Rat,

Thanks for the reply. I was under the impression that Nepal itself was prohibiting their citizens from voluntarily becoming Ghurkas and that this was part of the genesis on why Ghurkas wanted to become UK citizens instead of going home. Is this true?

Thanks again,

M

That is not an issue that I am aware of. By and large the Maoist insurgency appears not to have affected the traditional British Gurkha recruiting areas. The current Nepalese Government I suspect would be keen to keep the Gurkha remittences flowing in to Nepal; although the fact that many Gurkhas are now opting to settle with their families in the UK means that the Nepalese Government may be less inclined to support Gurkha recruitment in the future.