Russia, politics and power: internal & external(new title)

[Azor]

The Democratic Party seems to have found its own conspiracy to wield against its opponents, namely that Trump is an agent of the Russian Federation.

Unfortunately, the supporting evidence consists of business trips and failed deals from years ago (e.g. 2008), as well as soundbites ("disproportionate") and conjecture (forcing NATO members to commit to the 2% target is equated with American withdrawal). Moreover, people tend to forget Obama's desire for a "reset" with Russia and the fact that Russia was a "partner" up until invading Ukraine in March 2014.

Hillary Clinton is a known hawk and has a predilection for "humanitarian intervention", selling and supporting an Anglo-French adventure in Libya that only resulted in an ongoing civil war and the infiltration of Daesh. Would Putin support anyone but Hillary? Absolutely.

Anyone who subscribes to this is no different than those arguing:

• Obama is a secret Muslim in league with Iran
• George W. Bush was beholden to the Saudi royal family
• Bill Clinton was an agent of China for encouraging its membership in the WTO

[davidbfpo]

I have moved a number of posts from the Ukraine at War thread to better places: the Russian cyber & infowar and Russian politics threads.

Just whether a new thread is needed for the apparent Russian impact on the forthcoming US elections is a moot point.

[OUTLAW 09]

The Democratic Party seems to have found its own conspiracy to wield against its opponents, namely that Trump is an agent of the Russian Federation.

Unfortunately, the supporting evidence consists of business trips and failed deals from years ago (e.g. 2008), as well as soundbites ("disproportionate") and conjecture (forcing NATO members to commit to the 2% target is equated with American withdrawal). Moreover, people tend to forget Obama's desire for a "reset" with Russia and the fact that Russia was a "partner" up until invading Ukraine in March 2014.

Hillary Clinton is a known hawk and has a predilection for "humanitarian intervention", selling and supporting an Anglo-French adventure in Libya that only resulted in an ongoing civil war and the infiltration of Daesh. Would Putin support anyone but Hillary? Absolutely.

Anyone who subscribes to this is no different than those arguing:

• Obama is a secret Muslim in league with Iran
• George W. Bush was beholden to the Saudi royal family
• Bill Clinton was an agent of China for encouraging its membership in the WTO

Pay attention to the Russian oligarch cash flow into his businesses and the Ukraine Manafort connection....there is more coming out on both...just wait...social media leads the way especially the Ukrainian

His business debt has doubled in just one year to 630M......and all US banks have black listed his companies and himself as well....

And the hacking tracks are getting firmer and heavier and points directly at Russia.....