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    Quote Originally Posted by mirhond View Post
    That's pretty well explainable - Nemtsov was a member of The Family in 90's, but after Putin's succession he went astray, so even after death he commanded some respect from Yeltsin's cronies.

    To Understand Outlaw, read Orwell, especially "Politics and English language" ^_^

    Hilarious!!

    Free speech Index, 2014 http://rsf.org/index2014/ru-index2014.php

    Finland 1
    USA 46
    Ukraine 127
    Russia 148

    Reporters without borders: Summary of Attacks on Media

    http://en.rsf.org/ukraine-summary-of...014,46265.html

    and so forth
    mirhond---here is a great "freedom of speech" comment from a Russian troll today referencing WHY 18 CCTV cameras were not working at the time of the execution AND 5 were pointed at the exact execution site.

    The #CIA messed with the cameras around the Kremlin AND on the bridge before they killed #Nemtsov!!

    AND now from the actual Russian security department handling the CCTVs---they were ALL down for maintenance at exactly 2230 at the exact time of the execution.

    come on mirhond ALL down for maintenance and it was the CIA BUT hey that is "freedom of speech" in the SU sorry Russia.
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    Posted before the latest assassination of a member of the opposition The Absurd world of Russian Public Opinion is a reflection on said sad state.

    Hurray! We are attacking! Thank God! Many are dead and wounded! Thank God!" Thus exclaimed "good soldier Svejk" from the eponymous immortal novel by Jaroslav Hasek. And Russian public opinion today is no less absurd.
    As I have written a year ago this conflict can take many years. Much poison has been injected into the minds of many Russians through relentless and massive propaganda falling on often fertile soil.

    However this too will pass one day, likely far away. The economy is now heading south at a surprising speed and we will see how long Putin's apparat will endure economic hardship. The war is of course of great importance for the internal politics because imaginative external enemies help to the gang on top to conserve the power.

    Thankfully most people in Europe or the USA are hardly affected by the downwards spiral of the Russian economy. If weakening Russia was a goal for some Western players then it was achieved brilliantly by Putin and company who however did a great job on getting a far tighter grip on power. Never let a selfcaused crisis go to waste.
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    RenTV reports the investigators got cam pictures of two of the suspect killers, likely "from southern regions of RF" https://meduza.io/news/2015/03/04/re...tsami-nemtsova

    Putin's call to end political murders seems to tell Nemtsov investigators to knock off "jealous lover" & "slighted businessman" theories

    Is #Kremlin trying to scapegoat 'rogue' figures in security structures with this car info release?

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    Default Putin is not a strong leader

    Not exactly what a headline one expects to read; the title is taken from an Open Democracy article's sub-title:
    The murder of Boris Nemtsov tells us not that Putin is a strong leader, but rather one who has lost his grip.
    Link:https://www.opendemocracy.net/od-rus...-boris-nemtsov
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    Quote Originally Posted by davidbfpo View Post
    Thanks, this article is must read for anyone who believes to know Russian political structure, ecpetially Putin's worshippers, like You-Know-Who

    Russia remains a fragmented state, with power organised more in networks and circles than vertical structures. Putin is more a creature of the system than its owner. And ironically, the myth of the power vertical is more authoritative than the leader’s constitutional prerogatives.
    Haeresis est maxima opera maleficarum non credere.

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    I wonder what else he'll change midsentence, without even messing up the syntax?

    Vladimir Putin calls for 'Eurasia' currency union
    Russian president says currency union with Belarus and Kazakhstan could help overcome falling oil prices and decline of rouble
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...ncy-union.html
    A scrimmage in a Border Station
    A canter down some dark defile
    Two thousand pounds of education
    Drops to a ten-rupee jezail


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    mirhond, my friend, this story makes mess bigger again.

    One recent technical task, former employee Lena told Radio Liberty, was devoted to the murder of prominent Kremlin critic Boris Nemtsov.

    "It was mandatory to convey the message to the people that Nemtsov's murder was a provocation ahead of the [opposition] march and that he was killed by his own associates," she said.

    "As a result, hundreds and thousands of comments, where this idea is served up under different dressings, emerge under every news article of leading media," she added.
    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-31962644

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaur View Post
    mirhond, my friend, this story makes mess bigger again.



    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-31962644
    Ah.....the perfect example of Russian "informational conflict".

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaur View Post
    mirhond, my friend, this story makes mess bigger again.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-31962644
    I don't follow, what story, what mess? You mean that assasination of a harmless although charismatic demagogue will shake Putin's standing, or what?
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    Group of scientist made report to former minister Kudrin. The same group told about possible mass protest before Bolotnaya 2011.

    A newly published report titled "Between Crimea and the Crisis" puts forward two scenarios of Russia's future, both of which predict serious domestic upheavals. Everything hinges on the outcome of the Ukrainian conflict. How likely are these scenarios?
    The first envisages an end to the military conflict in Ukraine and a concurrent relaxation of the international pressure on Russia, which, with the lack of an external threat, will redirect citizens’ attention to the problems of the economy. The aggression currently focused on perceived external enemies will be channeled towards internal ones: "officials and migrants." Support for the government will drastically fall, which could lead to serious economic protests similar in size to the ones in 2011-2012.
    The second scenario looks at the possible consequences of a protracted armed conflict and posits that "the mass consciousness will support the country's self-isolation." In such a situation, says the report, the aggression towards the perceived external enemy will remain, but weariness of the conflict and the crisis will lead to protests and "the gradual erosion of support for the government."
    http://in.rbth.com/politics/2015/04/...ort_42427.html

    Economist writes about this report too and concludes.

    The object of this aggression can vary: two years ago it was migrants and corrupt officials. Now it is the West, “national traitors” and a “fifth column” that included Boris Nemtsov, a liberal politician assassinated in Moscow in February. In this way the Kremlin’s aggression has become a narcotic that may lead to an overdose, causing it to lose control. Indeed, the mood could one day switch from an external enemy back to Mr Putin himself, not least because the image of America constructed by the Kremlin’s propaganda bears such a close resemblance to the reality of Russia
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    http://www.economist.com/news/europe...ir-putin-tries

    Recent interview with Dmitriev covering the same topic.

    http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/a...us/517659.html

    The whole report in Russian is here. Very enjoyable reading about social mood dynamics and how Kremlin has been riding on it and directing it, were they find it possible.

    http://komitetgi.ru/upload/iblock/1e...1c7b08943.docx
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    The “Russian World”
    Russia’s Soft Power and Geopolitical Imagination
    Marlene Laruelle
    May 2015
    http://globalinterests.org/wp-conten...e-Laruelle.pdf

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    http://foreignpolicy.com/2015/06/02/...-putins-world/

    What Russian Literature Tells Us About Vladimir Putin’s World
    The most funny title I've ever seen at FP.

    Something is very wrong with cognitive mechanisms of a political writers, if anyone believe that reading dusty classics could help with undrestanding of the current political reality. Will readiing Diсkens help to penetrate Cameron's ratio, will it be useful to deconstruct Frenau's texts in order to understand Obama politics?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mirhond View Post
    http://foreignpolicy.com/2015/06/02/...-putins-world/

    What Russian Literature Tells Us About Vladimir Putin’s World
    The most funny title I've ever seen at FP.

    Something is very wrong with cognitive mechanisms of a political writers, if anyone believe that reading dusty classics could help with undrestanding of the current political reality. Will readiing Diсkens help to penetrate Cameron's ratio, will it be useful to deconstruct Frenau's texts in order to understand Obama politics?
    comrade mirhond--am assuming you have read Orwell's 1984--great for understanding Russian fascism and Russian double-speak don't you think????

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    comrade mirhond--am assuming you have read Orwell's 1984--great for understanding Russian fascism and Russian double-speak don't you think????
    Are you completely oblivious? I've cited Orwell (some of his texts you've never read, I believe) several times. Anyway, you nedn't to read Orwell particulary to understand any fascism, it wery well speaks for itself.
    ps. Homework for you - bring here Duma regulation that allows Ministry of Justice to punish subjects for a thoughtcrime.
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    It is simply
    Умо́м Росси́ю не поня́ть
    (You cannot understand Russia with your mind)


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dishonesty View Post
    It is simply
    Умо́м Росси́ю не поня́ть
    (You cannot understand Russia with your mind)
    ..and it is also just a funny bull$hit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mirhond View Post
    Are you completely oblivious? I've cited Orwell (some of his texts you've never read, I believe) several times. Anyway, you nedn't to read Orwell particulary to understand any fascism, it wery well speaks for itself.
    ps. Homework for you - bring here Duma regulation that allows Ministry of Justice to punish subjects for a thoughtcrime.
    comrade mirhond--since he is Russia's best friend--which of the 4Ds of Russian propaganda is he using?

    will be relatively easy for you--but will list them--dismiss, distort, distract, dismay

    Or is he just crazy???

    War Criminal and crippled Zakharchenko is getting delusional about the attack on Marinka: 400 killed and 1000 wounded pic.twitter.com/WBQGGNqNB7

    BUT since he was at the battle--then he is crazy as no one else seems to have mentioned the same numbers.

    Zako Subdivision: It looks as though terrorist leader #Zakharchenko led the attack in #Marinka. pic.twitter.com/WlEQRbrG3r
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    Zako Subdivision: It looks as though terrorist leader #Zakharchenko led the attack in #Marinka. pic.twitter.com/WlEQRbrG3r


    Seems that no one in the Russian FM knows "truth from lies"---

    MFA Russia ✔ @mfa_russia
    Russian UN envoy Vitaly Churkin: Western irritation grows as Kiev further violates #Ukraine ceasefire —
    http://tass.ru/en/world/799151 @RussiaUN

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    List of Russian specialists tried to understand Putin's Russia here. This Natalia Zubarevich's, author of "Four Russias" concept, opinion reminds me mirhond's golden era.

    It is unlikely that the post-Soviet imperial syndrome will be over- come during the next 10–15 years. Not only has nostalgia for the USSR survived in the minds of the older generations, but also the imperial myth is being successfully reproduced in the minds of Russia’s younger people. The period of abrupt intensification of flag waving cannot last long, but support for Putin’s policy of, to use the regime’s official language, “in-gathering of the Russian lands” is here to stay for a long time as a value choice made by most Russians, no matter where they live.
    https://www.aei.org/wp-content/uploa...ia.pdf#page=27
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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    comrade mirhond--since he is Russia's best friend--which of the 4Ds of Russian propaganda is he using?

    will be relatively easy for you--but will list them--dismiss, distort, distract, dismay

    Or is he just crazy???

    War Criminal and crippled Zakharchenko is getting delusional about the attack on Marinka: 400 killed and 1000 wounded pic.twitter.com/WBQGGNqNB7

    BUT since he was at the battle--then he is crazy as no one else seems to have mentioned the same numbers.

    Zako Subdivision: It looks as though terrorist leader #Zakharchenko led the attack in #Marinka. pic.twitter.com/WlEQRbrG3r
    Dugin joins the choir: ukrainian armada and foreign mercenaries attacked from #Marinka on Petrovski dist of #Donetsk https://twitter.com/A_G_Dugin/status/606885933460398080

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