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    Cost and complexity are probably factors but I suspect that the thought of having their actions second guessed after the fact by someone sitting safely behind a desk does not appeal to US LE.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uboat509 View Post
    Cost and complexity are probably factors but I suspect that the thought of having their actions second guessed after the fact by someone sitting safely behind a desk does not appeal to US LE.
    I guess that it must be the latter and other issues, as the technology is mature and not too expensive, at least from those bike kids video on youtube and a quick google

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    An update after Twitter id'd this Forbes article 'Watching The Police: Will Two-Way Surveillance Reduce Crime And Increase Accountability?':http://www.forbes.com/sites/tarunwad...rove-policing/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uboat509 View Post
    Cost and complexity are probably factors but I suspect that the thought of having their actions second guessed after the fact by someone sitting safely behind a desk does not appeal to US LE.
    Which is kind of funny, given how helpful the dashboard cameras seem to have been as evidence during DUI stops.

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    Default NYPD told to have 1k body cameras

    U.S. District Judge Shira Scheindlin ordered a pilot program of the cameras and other major reforms to the New York Police Department's stop-and-frisk policy this week, after she found the NYPD intentionally discriminated against minorities.......In New York, Scheindlin ordered one police precinct per borough where the most stops occur to host the yearlong pilot program. That means possibly more than a thousand officers would be recording with cameras on their eye glasses or lapels.
    Link:http://online.wsj.com/article/APf61b...KEYWORDS=lapel
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    Cameras don't lie, at least not without leaving clues showing manipulation.

    Technology just gets cheaper and better, so it's more a question of where society will allow the expectation of privacy.

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    There are ample signs in England that if a criminal prosecution lacks some video footage - if relevant or possibly available - then managers and prosecutors maybe reluctant to press ahead. For example for benefit fraud, where a claim is made for disability, three separate video clips are needed that show the person is able bodied, e.g. lifting heavy weights.

    At court it is well known that magistrates will give weight to video evidence. It will be interesting to see if this changes when the defence has their own video. Even in a relatively short incident at Downing Street gates, known as "Pleb Gate", the video record has been challenged.

    As a society we are becoming a visual generation; no pictures, nothing there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davidbfpo View Post
    As a society we are becoming a visual generation; no pictures, nothing there.
    Some years ago I was at an Officer Survival seminar and a defense Attorney was giving a lecture about courtroom testimony, evidence, etc. One of his points was that whenever possible he would use Visual evidence not Testimony or audio evidence. Visual is much more persuasive at least based upon his courtroom experience which was considerable.

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    Some years ago I was at an Officer Survival seminar and a defense Attorney was giving a lecture about courtroom testimony, evidence, etc. One of his points was that whenever possible he would use Visual evidence not Testimony or audio evidence. Visual is much more persuasive at least based upon his courtroom experience which was considerable.
    I remember hearing a lecture on evidence as to which was more powerful, 100 nuns who say they watched the courtyard all night and never saw anyone cross it or the footprints in the snow across the courtyard demonstrating that someone had crossed it during the night.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidbfpo View Post
    As a society we are becoming a visual generation; no pictures, nothing there.

    ... I was actually just thinking the oposite, that today I cannot trust anything on video.


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