Nine children among 16 dead after US serviceman attacks villagers

[carl]

Mike:

This link leads to a PDF called a broker check report. Click on the blue letters that say Get Detailed Report.

http://brokercheck.finra.org/Individ...ndvlIACtgry=-1

[carl]

Bloomberg seems to covering this story well.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-0...r-says-2-.html

In the above linked story the defense attorney mentions lack of eyewitnesses, lack of forensic evidence, putting the war on trail and brain injury. I will wait for Mike's opinion as to how that may or may not show what the defense line will be.

[davidbfpo]

I am intrigued at the accused's defence lawyer's declared intention to travel to Afghanistan, presumably to examine the scene and interview witnesses.

Who is going to protect him in Afghanistan, notably in the village?

Can't imagine any insurance company will relish providing high risk cover.

[Ken White]

Who is going to protect him in Afghanistan, notably in the village?

The same Army that, after returning to the US, he will lambaste in Court and in the media...

[jmm99]

00-02283

Extract: Award NASD Dispute Resolution In the Matter of the Arbitration Between: Gary K. Liebschner, (Claimant) vs. Michael Patterson, Inc., Michael Patterson, Dain Rauscher Incorporated, Robert Bales, Quantum Capital Corporation, Thomas Dooley HI, Ernest Dahlen IH, and Adolphus Dubose Jr., (Respondents) Case Number: 00-02283 Hearing Site: Columbus, Ohio
REPRESENTATION OF PARTIES Claimant, Gary K. Liebschner, hereinafter referred to as "Claimant": Earle R. Frost
Size: 296286 bytes
Date of award: 04/16/2003

The 10-page Award will become evidence as soon as Bales' credibility is put at issue - e.g., if he takes the stand. Two findings seriously injure that credibility:

1. The Panel finds that Respondents Bales, MPI, and Patterson engaged in fraud, breach of fiduciary duty, churning, unauthorized trading, and unsuitable investments. [$637,000.00 as compensatory damages]
...
3. Bales, MPI, and Patterson are jointly and severally liable for and shall pay to Claimant the sum of $637,000.00 as punitive damages. Ohio law permits punitive damages to be awarded in tort and fraud claims when the conduct is willful or malicious. The Panel finds Bales' and Patterson's conduct in this matter to be fraudulent and malicious.

That doesn't mean that facts concerning the Gary K. Liebschner claim, but not stated in the award, will be admitted.

So, now, we have two items of character evidence: CPT Chris Alexander, who (unless something adverse surfaces on him) seems to truthfully present what he knew of Bales; and the Arbitration Award, presenting a different picture, and which is binding on Bales as a judgment.

As to Atty. Browne, I found this interesting (from Wiki) (supporting footnotes in Wiki):

Browne gained nationwide attention as lead plaintiff in a lawsuit filed in 2007 by famous class action lawyer Steve Berman against Avvo, a law-related review site.[7] He was reportedly upset that the site had rated him "average" via a rating system that evaluates vertical disciplinary stature. [8][9] That suit was dismissed on pre-trial motion, on grounds that the ratings were expressions of opinion protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution.[10]

I conclude that Atty. Browne is a sensitive man, who will pull the libel trigger if he feels offended; but that's definitely just an opinion. I'm sure his travel and personal security will be negotiated with the DoD - that sort of thing was handled during the Vietnam War in multiple cases.

As to the "defenses" of trying the War and trying the Army, can you all see them flying with members of a court-martial ?

As to forensics, Afghani witnesses, etc., I covered that in this post - still a long way to travel, and my reasoning is unchanged.

Regards

Mike

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Carl:

Moving away from all this misery, Marcelaine Wininger Lewis (she says she's a "sky chick", which is true ; but she also is smart, a good writer and teacher - and tougher than nails when she needs to be) wrote Why is CMX where it is ?. You know that destination. The article (from Vintage Airplane) tells of Caesar Lucchesi and his son Leo Lucchesi, founders of Copper Country aviation, and grandfather and uncle of "Geno" (of Blue Goose and Northwest Airlines "fame" - actually a hell of a guy and my friend; as was Leo, with whom I shared many Blue Goose trips).

[carl]

Bloomberg reports in this article

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-0...3-million.html

that there is apparently another different complaint on file with the Commerce Dept. of the State of Ohio involving bonds.

[Stan]

Bloomberg reports in this article

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-0...3-million.html

that there is apparently another different complaint on file with the Commerce Dept. of the State of Ohio involving bonds.

Hey Carl,
Not my background, but rubbing all this dirt in his face is to convince people that he was capable of shooting children ? It would be too perfect to find some correlation between the two events.

By then, Bales was already in the Army, having enlisted in November 2001, less than two months after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, according to an Army statement.

I don't get this at all. I had a soldier who ran from his financial responsibilities when he joined and the Army took the legal amounts from his pay before he knew what happened. Something to the tune of $150 a month for 3 years. What does joining the Army after 9/11 have to do with his legal responsibilities ? He didn't just disappear off the face of the earth ???

Just my confused opinion

[carl]

Bloomberg is just digging and reporting what they find. I don't know if it is rubbing dirt in a face as much as reporting the history of actions.

One of the reasons it is interesting to me is as a counter to the people who believe a good person can just "snap" and suddenly do horrific things. People don't just snap. There is normally some kind of unsavory history. In this case, maybe two instances of major league fraud and a domestic violence incident. I would be very surprised if there wasn't more.

You can disappear pretty easy if people don't look for you very hard, and a lot don't. But in this case, who knows?

[stanleywinthrop]

I am intrigued at the accused's defence lawyer's declared intention to travel to Afghanistan, presumably to examine the scene and interview witnesses.

Who is going to protect him in Afghanistan, notably in the village?

Can't imagine any insurance company will relish providing high risk cover.

Steven Green's lawyers asked to go to Iraq but the federal court denied their request amongst other things citing safety.

http://www.kywd.uscourts.gov/3-06-00...inDocument.pdf

[jmm99]

Robert Bales.

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Added links and Subsequent Decisions in Green case.

Opinion & Order in Green case re: travel to Iraq - Doc 214 in District Court and Docket Sheet.

United States v. Green (6th Circuit Opinion; August 16, 2011) (major MEJA decision), p.23:

Green’s claim that the district court lacked jurisdiction over him fails because his discharge from the Army was valid. Furthermore, Green’s constitutional claims fail because MEJA does not offend the separation-of-powers principle or the nondelegation doctrine, equal protection, or due process. Thus, we AFFIRM the decision of the district court.

SCOTUS, Certiorari denied (9 Jan 2012) [letter notice by William K. Suter, Clerk of SCOTUS - MG US Army (ret.) - Wiki:

To distinguish him from former Supreme Court Associate Justice David Souter, Suter is often referred to within the Supreme Court by the nickname "The General" or as "General Suter". General Suter is a prolific speaker about the Court. A popular figure in the national bar, he has received numerous honors for his frequent outreach efforts, including honorary degrees. A college basketball player, General Suter has been known throughout his career for his love of the sport. At the Court, he was known for playing basketball with law clerks on the "highest court in the land".

Regards

Mike