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    Taken from a commentary on the UK MI5 Chief's public statement and citing a British military historian:
    Michael Howard notes that fundamentalist Muslims feel a much stronger attachment to their tribe or sect than to any nation state. Jihadism, he says, represents a response to ‘the challenge of a secular, urban civilisation that threatens to destroy their traditional values and beliefs’.

    It took us, in the West, about three centuries after the Enlightenment — when reason and individualism began to assert themselves in the 17th and 18th centuries — to become comfortable with what we now call cultural freedom.

    We cannot expect doctrinaire Muslim societies from the East, which have fomented radicalism throughout the world, to do so in a few years.

    ‘It is not surprising that a fanatical minority, inspired by a romantic longing to return to the doctrines and practices of a pure Islam, aim at destroying the Western civilisation that they see as debauching the purity of their own culture and beliefs,’ says Howard.
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz3OVuhqdYC
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    But on the other side of the coin from the MI5 comments--we the West seem to have a disconnect when it comes to the Ukraine where Chechen "Russian jihadists" are fighting the Ukrainian Army and civilians in eastern Ukraine--and absolutely nothing is being said.

    So I guess the old saying of one man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist is actually true as we use the term "separatists" when discussing Russian recruited, supported and paid for mercenaries that do not even come from eastern Ukraine.

    Inch'Allah!
    Chechen-Russian invasion forces in the center of #Donetsk city
    http://<br /> https://www.youtube.c...?v=ZR9Uj3lrCH4
    pic.twitter.com/bDLpEM7MD5
    "Local Separatists" NOT Islamic terrorists like the West would call them in Paris

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    Default Colonel Tim Collins adds

    Lt.Col. Tim Collins was a British Army officer, noted for his pre-Iraq War One speech to his infantry battallion and he served in the SAS. His comment opens with:
    In the world of counter-terrorism and special forces, it must be said that the French carried out an amazing feat on Friday. They deserve the grateful thanks of their nation and the admiration of the international community. What we witnessed was two simultaneous “immediate actions”. These are the hardest to pull off, and the French forces managed the equivalent of two drop-goals in rugby under great pressure.
    Link:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/11337334/Col-Tim-Collins-We-can-learn-from-the-deadly-tactics-of-Frances-elite-police.html?
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    Russian Orthodox Church under Putin similar to Islamic extremism: Both ideologies that distort & subvert religion to justify amoral conduct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    But on the other side of the coin from the MI5 comments--we the West seem to have a disconnect when it comes to the Ukraine where Chechen "Russian jihadists" are fighting the Ukrainian Army and civilians in eastern Ukraine--and absolutely nothing is being said.

    So I guess the old saying of one man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist is actually true as we use the term "separatists" when discussing Russian recruited, supported and paid for mercenaries that do not even come from eastern Ukraine.

    Inch'Allah!
    Chechen-Russian invasion forces in the center of #Donetsk city
    http://<br /> https://www.youtube.c...?v=ZR9Uj3lrCH4
    pic.twitter.com/bDLpEM7MD5
    "Local Separatists" NOT Islamic terrorists like the West would call them in Paris
    Dudayev Battalion fr Caucasus (Chechens, Dagestanians, Ingushetians) fights against Ukraine
    pic.twitter.com/BsbqvcBzrL

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    Massive number of French Imams marched today in Paris with the French Muslim community which has equally stood up in the streets together with Jewish French to protest against jihadism which is really a form of Islamic fascism together with a number representatives of the ME countries--striking.

    Even the King of Jordan a true descendent of Mohammed was there and if that is not a statement.

    Maybe the centers of Islamic learning in the four centers need to pay attention to their flock as it seems they are getting tried of being tarred and feathered by the "war wing" of Islam.

    We all tend to forget that a majority of the victims of jihadists are in fact Muslims.

    BUT then we the US seem to be absent--

    And where was @JohnKerry? Just reinforcing the message that the US is no longer a reliable partner
    Not when most countries send higher delegations. Kerry, if not Obama should have been there.
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    Default Ahmed Merabet RIP #JeSuisAhmed

    The French police officer, Ahmed Merabet, who was murdered last week in Paris, will not be forgotten there soon.

    His family gave a press conference yesterday, his brother also a police officer said:
    My brother was Muslim and he was killed by two terrorists, by two false Muslims....Islam is a religion of peace and love. As far as my brother’s death is concerned it was a waste. He was very proud of the name Ahmed Merabet, proud to represent the police and of defending the values of the Republic – liberty, equality, fraternity.

    I address myself now to all the racists, Islamophobes and antisemites. One must not confuse extremists with Muslims. Mad people have neither colour or religion.


    I want to make another point: don’t tar everybody with the same brush, don’t burn mosques – or synagogues. You are attacking people. It won’t bring our dead back and it won’t appease the families.

    A colleague tweeted:
    I am not Charlie, I am Ahmed the dead cop. Charlie ridiculed my faith and culture and I died defending his right to do so.
    Link with short video:http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...ahmed-merabet?


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    Komsomolskaya Pravda uses its first front page of the year to ask: DID THE AMERICANS PLAN THE PARIS TERROR ATTACK?
    pic.twitter.com/l5OzTLgv2G

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Komsomolskaya Pravda uses its first front page of the year to ask: DID THE AMERICANS PLAN THE PARIS TERROR ATTACK?
    pic.twitter.com/l5OzTLgv2G
    There has been a few twitter comments of potential Chechen contacts to the three killers in Paris and some indications the weapons might have been smuggled from Chechnya.

    When the Russian MFA starts carrying the same lies as their news media then Russia is defending itself from something.

    Kremlin's "USA did it" disinformation re #CharlieHebdo began last week
    http://20committee.com/2015/01/08/af...s-new-message/ …, now reached top of MFA
    http://tass.ru/en/world/770765

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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    There has been a few twitter comments of potential Chechen contacts to the three killers in Paris and some indications the weapons might have been smuggled from Chechnya.

    When the Russian MFA starts carrying the same lies as their news media then Russia is defending itself from something.

    Kremlin's "USA did it" disinformation re #CharlieHebdo began last week
    http://20committee.com/2015/01/08/af...s-new-message/ …, now reached top of MFA
    http://tass.ru/en/world/770765
    #Russia:
    We didn't shoot down #MH17
    #CharlieHebdo was attacked by #CIA trained killers
    We have no troops in #Ukraine
    Only we speak the truth

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    Sadly David, his story will not get an appropriate degree of attention for the truth holds, because it doesn't fit the narratives of the inciters feeding on this incident. Great post nonetheless.

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    For me personally, the most tragic part of this massacre is that these poor cartoonists have been killed for publishing dull and lame ####. What a pity that really sharp and blasphemous satire of bete&mechant Hara Kiri magazine degraded to this miserable wretchedness.
    Haeresis est maxima opera maleficarum non credere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mirhond View Post
    For me personally, the most tragic part of this massacre is that these poor cartoonists have been killed for publishing dull and lame ####. What a pity that really sharp and blasphemous satire of bete&mechant Hara Kiri magazine degraded to this miserable wretchedness.
    and mirhond you speak French you say?

    if you spoke French then you would understand the cartoons--but hey AQ and IS does.

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    Once again Clint Watts, SWC member, offers a far-reaching commentary if not analysis on terrorism and counter-terrorism after Paris:http://warontherocks.com/2015/01/ins.../?singlepage=1

    I do wonder if Paris will inspire other loners and brothers to attack. Or will it inspire them to fight in The Levant, where training aside they may die.
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    Default The leaders marching minus the people



    Yes there is a need for security, with so many VIPs, but yesterday the BBC reported and showed images of the leaders at the head of the march. Well, they were not.
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    Is there freedom of the press in the UK and US such as in France--interesting question. Interesting that we the US claim our personal freedoms were enshrined in those of France--but were they really?

    Is there a difference in the definition of free speech between Anglo Saxon countries and France--interesting question.

    BBC, CNN, NBC, NPR all not showing Charlie Hebdo cover. Are they / we getting it right? Keen to discuss on @BBCOS.

    This self "constraint" or "self censorship" was started also by these media outlets when they digitized CH covers in order to "not offend" although the same cartoonists died defending their rights to free speech/expression.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-30790409

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    We talk about freedom of the press and yet the current Turkish leader is heck bent on making Turkey an Islamic state instead of the Ataturk dream of a secular state and is trying to reinvent the Ottoman Empire--he does have some commonalities with Putin.

    Turkey cancels press cards of 94 prominent journalists, who have been doing journalism in Turkey for more than 20 years.

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    Default Maybe the best cartoon so far

    Via Twitter from @eottolenghi

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    Default How did LE respond?

    Charlie Hebdo attack: French police response helped by mass support
    Big Question: France has shown a great degree of preparedness given the extraordinary difficulty of the Charlie Hebdo crisis
    Link:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...s-support.html

    DNA that done it (for one murderer):
    the identity of Coulibaly was determined with a DNA check on his balaclava left at the scene.
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    Default A report from the banlieues

    Paris’s Muslim Suburbs Blame Jews for CharlieIn France, the projects don’t look like ghettoes, but they’re filled with a poisonous mix of conspiracy theories and a some support for murderous jihadis.
    Link:http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...is-burbs.html?
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