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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCurmudgeon View Post
    Worlds best news agency( Fox news !!!!!)is reporting that it was a false alarm, but the stadium was cleared out of caution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCurmudgeon View Post
    Still too early to tell, but it was based on intelligence from France, not a hoax call. Since the game was cancelled and security heightened it isn't possible to tell if the threat was still credible.

    Will be interesting to see what they find in the apartments of the terrorists that the French police just killed (2) and captured (3). Hopefully the security forces can maintain their momentum and continue finding and killing these cells.

    http://www.nytimes.com/live/paris-at...ch-came-after/

    German Soccer Match Was Canceled Over ‘Concrete’ Threat, Official Says

    The German authorities have been reluctant to disclose details about the tip, and Mr. Maassen declined to confirm reports that it had come from French intelligence service, saying on ARD television on Wednesday morning only that the authorities “were able to establish that this was a valid tip.”
    Multiple sources reporting the same, but could be circular reporting.

    Mr. Maassen said the decision to cancel the match, between Germany and the Netherlands, came only 90 minutes before kickoff, because the authorities were checking the information against as many sources as possible.
    High level officials were at this event also. I doubt the terrorists knew that, but when you potentially see two soccer games targeted that have VIPs in attendance it does cause one to wonder.

    Implications for the U.S. are, as we always suspected, that sporting events are credible targets. Threats, real or deception, will continue to disrupt major events and make security increasingly expensive. It is the death by a thousand cuts approach. When everything is a target, and you can't defend everything, then maybe a good offense is overdue?
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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Video has emerged of 'Stade de France bomber' clapping and dancing at Serbia camp
    http://dailym.ai/1LhUexA
    pic.twitter.com/0YzYSGh36Z

    http://www.businessinsider.de/isis-a...5-11?r=US&IR=T

    'Idiots': ISIS responds to Anonymous threatening its 'biggest operation ever' against them

    Pamela Engel
    While we all know and understand the power of info warfare---we the US and the West somehow seem to think social media and individuals can carry the load of pushing back on the IS, Russian, Iranian info warfare.

    AT some point nation states must pick up the burden as it is pointed as much at them as it is against us the civil societies of those nation states.....

    Anonymous announced this morning they eliminated 3800 social media accounts of IS and their supporters and have another 5000 being targeted.

    Anonymous has announced the creation of "the Ghost Security Company" for this fight and stated as well they are in this for the long haul--something I totally miss from Western leaders.

    Appears that "Black Hats" have a better feel for security of a civil society than do the leaders of the West--who would have thought several months ago that "Black Hats" would become defenders of freedom of speech and the press and major info warriors to defend those societies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Video has emerged of 'Stade de France bomber' clapping and dancing at Serbia camp
    http://dailym.ai/1LhUexA
    pic.twitter.com/0YzYSGh36Z

    http://www.businessinsider.de/isis-a...5-11?r=US&IR=T

    'Idiots': ISIS responds to Anonymous threatening its 'biggest operation ever' against them

    Pamela Engel
    From the information warfare front-----
    Syria: Anonymous has started providing the Free Syrian Army (#FSA) with intel on #Daesh members. #OpISIS

    Anonymous
    ‏@GroupAnon #Anonymous has given the Free Syrian Army data with 200k lines of personal information of members of an underground #Daesh forum. #OpISIS

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    IS is basically no different than say Assad who is responsible for the genocide in his country who Obama wants to leave in power and a Putin who is responsible for killing 8K Ukrainians creating 1.2m IDPs/refugees and who sent thousands of mercenaries into eastern Ukraine and destroyed much of eastern Ukraine as he is doing now in Syria.......

    Assad in interview French magazine: "We only share intelligence information under condition that #France change its policies on #Syria"

    Remember Assad blamed the French for Paris.......

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    Interesting if correct..................... in Russian
    Turns out Lifenews had video of the suspected bomb suitcase all along, but decided not to run it because \_(ツ)_/¯

    http://lifenews.ru/mobile/news/170325

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    Food for thought----there has been some writers referring to the development of an Islamic fascism in such groups as IS--and some of these writers are Muslims.

    If one understands the targets that say a a revolutionary left wing terror group picks --they are usually hard targets ie buildings that represent the government in some form or shape.

    Radical right wing, neo Nazi and or "fascist" groups tend to target "human beings" in order to make the evening news cycle---so now do we have IS as a fascist group copying the targeting of random civilians much as the extreme right targets human beings not buildings?

    This would explain the sudden shift in the IS targeting --meaning away from selected targets to straight killing for the news cycle and the more the better????

    We have an interesting IS TTP development---before this attack all operations were planned and controlled out of IS central much as AQ did for years---now it appears that entire small groups centered around a major rebel rouser move into the operational area with their respective operational planner conduct their recon and then break down into smaller attack teams. Having the ops planner in the ops area is a major OPSEC failure and shows me that this "young firebrands" want to make their own mark now and not sit in Raqqa--that is a major development.

    We saw this particular tactic develop in later 2005 ---it is called "swarm attacks" ---multiple attack teams from multiple directions to achieve maximum effectiveness and sowing total confusion as it gives the defender no opportunity to understand what is developing--has the advantage to the attack teams can be smaller than needed for a concentrated major single attack.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Food for thought----there has been some writers referring to the development of an Islamic fascism in such groups as IS--and some of these writers are Muslims.

    ...

    We have an interesting IS TTP development---before this attack all operations were planned and controlled out of IS central much as AQ did for years---now it appears that entire small groups centered around a major rebel rouser move into the operational area with their respective operational planner conduct their recon and then break down into smaller attack teams. Having the ops planner in the ops area is a major OPSEC failure and shows me that this "young firebrands" want to make their own mark now and not sit in Raqqa--that is a major development.
    While I am not sure about the Fascism discussion, I have wondered whether the acts of terrorism - the plane bombing and the Paris attacks - are not being directed from the home office in Raqqa. The claims of responsibility are always slow in coming and lack much specificity. I have to wonder if we are not seeing splinter groups striking out on their own.
    "I can change almost anything ... but I can't change human nature."

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCurmudgeon View Post
    While I am not sure about the Fascism discussion, I have wondered whether the acts of terrorism - the plane bombing and the Paris attacks - are not being directed from the home office in Raqqa. The claims of responsibility are always slow in coming and lack much specificity. I have to wonder if we are not seeing splinter groups striking out on their own.
    Kind of confirms what I was saying-AQ nor the old IS would have never had the operational planner on the ground in the operational area due to simple OPSEC reasons---meaning if captured he knows to much.

    BREAKING: Belgian Official: Abaaoud died in #French raid in St denis area of #Paris
    https://twitter.com/tarapalmeri/stat...19901484273664

    Initial reporting very early this morning European time did initially indicate that the mastermind was in the apartment at the time of the RAID assault on the apartment.

    3rd body may lie under rubble of #SaintDenis flat, official says, as hunt for #ParisAttacks organiser goes on
    http://pal-preview.api.bbc.co.uk/news/world-eur

    For those that respect war dogs a 7 year old female Shepard died defending her handler in that RAID assault evidently she and her handler were the third through the door amidst what some in RAID have called a massive firefight they have never experienced before.
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    A comprehensive Israeli open source report on the attacks:http://www.terrorism-info.org.il/en/article/20910

    A short BBC News report, now eight hours old, on the 'security flaws and challenges highlighted'. It ends with:
    Every successful terrorist attack is, in one sense, an intelligence failure but hindsight always makes that clearer. The problems are often easy to spot afterwards but the reality is that they are often complex and hard to fix.
    Link:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34853376
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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post
    Kind of confirms what I was saying-AQ nor the old IS would have never had the operational planner on the ground in the operational area due to simple OPSEC reasons---meaning if captured he knows to much.

    BREAKING: Belgian Official: Abaaoud died in #French raid in St denis area of #Paris
    https://twitter.com/tarapalmeri/stat...19901484273664

    Initial reporting very early this morning European time did initially indicate that the mastermind was in the apartment at the time of the RAID assault on the apartment.

    3rd body may lie under rubble of #SaintDenis flat, official says, as hunt for #ParisAttacks organiser goes on
    http://pal-preview.api.bbc.co.uk/news/world-eur

    For those that respect war dogs a 7 year old female Shepard died defending her handler in that RAID assault evidently she and her handler were the third through the door amidst what some in RAID have called a massive firefight they have never experienced before.
    Thousands declare #JeSuisChien after a police dog called #Diesel is killed in a #Paris raid
    http://bbc.in/1NbW2jj
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    Quote Originally Posted by OUTLAW 09 View Post

    For those that respect war dogs a 7 year old female Shepard died defending her handler in that RAID assault evidently she and her handler were the third through the door amidst what some in RAID have called a massive firefight they have never experienced before.
    War dogs and Police dogs are massive cool!

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    Something which catched my eye in the NYTimes article:

    Djamila Khaldi, a 54-year-old cashier who lives near the basilica, was preparing to take her daughter to the airport when the gunfire erupted.

    Ms. Khaldi said she was not surprised the police had tracked the suspects to the neighborhood. She said a friend of hers believed she had seen one of the wanted men, Salah Abdeslam, on Monday.

    “She was terrified, and she looked at another woman knowing that she recognized him too,” Ms. Khaldi said. “They did not dare to go to the police.”
    Water for the fish? Maybe too Maoesque, but that stirred me.

    St.-Denis, a city of 118,000, is known for its melting-pot population and large Muslim community, as well as the basilica, a national landmark and one of the only tourist attractions in town.
    or before:

    He added, “We were then able to obtain weapons and set up a safe house while we planned to carry out operations against the crusaders.”

    One of their biggest allies, however, may have been a Belgian security system ill equipped to deal with a tight knit community like Molenbeek, where a mostly white police force has only tenuous links to a largely immigrant population resentful of being labeled potential terrorists
    Brussels has already been described as a sort of illegal trade hub for guns.


    P.S: From The Day of the Jackal

    Using his primary false passport, the Jackal travels to Brussels, where he commissions a specialised sniper rifle of great slimness and an appropriate silencer along with a small supply of explosive bullets from a master gunsmith, as well as a set of forged French identity papers from a master forger.
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    Belkovsky: Putin knew about the terrorist acts in Paris in advance through his agents in ISIS https://twitter.com/MaksimovValera/s...74849099218944

    There are already public accusations in Russian media of Putin knowing about Paris in advance. War is here.
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    Diesel, decorated Belgian Shepherd KIA
    by a female suicide bomber ...during a French anti-terror raid.
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...olice-dog.html



    Fellow Canines mourn the loss:

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    I have merged the two threads on the terror attacks in Paris in 2015, and added the older thread on France & CT. Hence the changed title.
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    Default Lessons to learn from the November 2015 attacks?

    From NYT an article that starts with:
    Since the devastating Nov. 13 attacks in Paris, the French police have offered only a fragmentary outline of their response and of how they deployed antiterror teams and other forces. The somberness and solidarity in the weeks since have muted public criticism. No review of the police’s performance has been announced.

    Yet accounts from survivors and police officials, as well as the analysis of outside experts, make clear that there were substantial periods when the terrorists operated with little or no hindrance from the authorities, and that France’s top-heavy chain of command, which has diminished neighborhood patrols in favor of specialized units, contributed to delays....several French police experts, and a look at the chronology, suggest that the delayed response points to weaknesses in the highly centralized French police structure.
    Link:http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/01/wo...tructure.html?
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    Default Essential viewing: Charlie Hebdo attacks 2015 film

    Absolutely essential viewing, a BBC / HBO documentary on the Charlie Hebdo attacks in Paris; with lots of police / magistrates interviews and original police SWAT footage: http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode...-hebdo-attacks

    There was till 10th January a slightly longer version on YouTube, it has now gone: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOhUB6Mhh1Y

    It was broadcast on the 6th January 2016, but I have only just watched. It is a hour long.

    I'd forgotten twice the media got to the landline to two barricade premises, the supermarket in Paris and the printers miles away, before the police. One wonders would that happen again?

    Secondly, at the printers the initial police response was a double-manned car and in an exchange of fire (9mm pistols -v- AK47) one officer hit a gunman in the neck, which had some effect.

    Note in the later attacks at the Bataclan venue, November 2015, a senior officer was first on the scene and engaged one gunman, again 9mm -v- Ak47 and set of a suicide vest. He was ordered to withdraw.

    Initially the police response was to the shooting in the street, not the killings in a nearby street where Charlie Hebdo's offices were. Communications overload and shock come to mind.

    I expect others will spot important aspects.

    (Posted before) The NYT has an interesting commentary on the lessons to learn after the Bataclan attack: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/01/wo...ure.html?&_r=0

    There is a main thread for French CT, where this thread will one day go:http://council.smallwarsjournal.com/...ad.php?t=15299
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    Default Paris attacks: Did intelligence fail in France?

    A Canadian TV report (this is the 1st part), with a podcast and their article starts with:
    Following a series of deadly attacks in Paris on Nov. 13, Claude Moniquet, a former French intelligence official, summed up the performance of the security services this way: "Very clearly, if we have 130 people dying in Paris on a Friday in a terrorist attack, it is because the system didn't work."

    (At the end) Society must understand that it's extremely difficult to do the job at the moment, because for two decades, intelligence and police services used to deal with a few dozen, maybe a few hundred people on the whole European continent...Maybe 500 were sympathizers of al-Qaeda 10 years ago. Today we have approximately 10,000 sympathizers of the Islamic State, which makes it mission impossible.
    Link:http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/paris-a...an24-1.3419506
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    Default 'Policed multiculturalism’ and predicting disaster

    A Q&A article with a critic of CT policies in France, drawing upon the UK experience:
    Counter-radicalisation in France draws on British and Dutch policies developed in the mid-2000s. It extends police action to areas of diversity management such as education, religion and social policy. With what results? Interview.
    Link:https://www.opendemocracy.net/wfd/fr...cting-disaster
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