India-US relations: cooling and warming up (merged thread)

[Ray]

Ray:

Long term this will have no effect on US-Indian relations. Our interests are just too closely aligned. Red China, freedom of navigation and the possibility of Pak army nukes going walkabout easily trump this.

That said things will be roiled for awhile. It is my opinion that over here, to the extent this is viewed at all it is viewed as some rich b---h throwing her weight around and picking on a poor person. There will be very little sympathy for that.

In the long term it will affect the US India relationship.

India is livid.

Red China is an issue with India, but then one never knows if the US action that it has taken violating international conventions will create some sort of an understanding with China and Russia.

It is not a rich b throwing her weight against a poor person. The poor person is another street smart scum who is aware how to make the US do gooders jump to her side, so as to manipulate a US citizenship - the Holy Grail that all the lower income group of India years to achieve.

Read this please:

http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes...-nri-prejudice

TO be frank, the bon homie and the growing fondness of the US in India seems to have evaporated with this case.

We, in India, are aware of how people try all sorts of tricks, including getting married to US/ UK citisnes to divorce later, just to get into US/ UK and get a citizenship.

All aid and done, opportunities to eke an existence are greater and easier in western countries than in India.

One should see the huge number of 'care givers' who go to Canada and elsewhere. They hang around and they get the citizenship.

Western countries, for reasons best known to them, go out of their way in the game of 'political correctness', turning a blind eye to the reality of the ground situation.

Also read this:

http://articles.economictimes.indiat...-narendra-modi

It indicates that the US has scant regards for foreign court adjudicating on their own citizens.

All I can say is that the US has not read the tea leaves right and it is indeed sad situation for those who rooted for the US in India.

The fear is the reversal to the old days that may happen if this spat is not sorted out quickly.

[Ray]

Devyani case: Strong Indian response shocks US officials

http://ibnlive.in.com/news/devyani-c.../442250-3.html

[Ray]

A special group in India’s foreign ministry meets tomorrow to scrutinise the wages. US missions and envoys’ homes are treated as American territory. The missions have missed a December 23 deadline to furnish the wage details, sought in the wake of diplomat Devyani Khobragade’s arrest on wage-linked charges related to a nanny.

Information with the ministry suggests Indian cooks and drivers at US missions were paid Rs 12,000-15,000 per month, the sources said. That is around $200-$250, below the figure of $1,160 based on the New York minimum wage of $7.25 per hour that Khobragade is accused of not paying.

http://www.telegraphindia.com/113123...p#.UsGlDPQW3Kc

India's unusual tough stand on the arrest of its diplomat Devyani Khobragade has forced the US to initiate an "inter-agency review" to look into the lapses that happened in the high-profile case that triggered an uproar in India and strained bilateral ties.....

"An inter-agency review is going on right now to look into the lapses that happened in the case," sources told PTI.

In a tacit acknowledgement of the fact that there was a "judgemental error" in handling this case, sources said the inter-agency team led by the State Department is "working 24X7" to get it resolved as quickly as possible.

Now that the matter has landed up in the judiciary, a lot depends on the judges too - for which the Department of Justice and the Southern District of New York is being actively engaged.

It is believed that the Department of Defense has expressed its displeasure over the manner in which the entire issue was handled.

http://articles.economictimes.indiat...s-relationship

[carl]

In the long term it will affect the US India relationship.

Maybe, but I doubt it.

We, in India, are aware of how people try all sorts of tricks, including getting married to US/ UK citisnes to divorce later, just to get into US/ UK and get a citizenship.

So are we.

...so as to manipulate a US citizenship - the Holy Grail that all the lower income group of India years to achieve.

All aid and done, opportunities to eke an existence are greater and easier in western countries than in India.

Perhaps India should ask itself why that is.

One should see the huge number of 'care givers' who go to Canada and elsewhere. They hang around and they get the citizenship.

Western countries, for reasons best known to them, go out of their way in the game of 'political correctness', turning a blind eye to the reality of the ground situation.

No, I don't think so. We are nations of immigrants and most of those immigrants were losers, scum so to speak, in their old countries. We have a soft spot for people trying to get here because they are in effect, sort of our ancestors.

[Ray]

Perhaps India should ask itself why that is.

All are aware.

It is economics.

The same reasons why Nepalis come to work and settle in India and the same reason why there are illegal Bangladeshis pouring into India/

[carl]

Ms. Khobragade is going home.

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Asia-...801-10-2014%29

And a fine thing that is too.

[Bill Moore]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/indiahome...Uncle-Sam.html

DISEQUILIBRIUM: No backing down from Uncle Sam

India's anger, justified was progressively worse for the US than it has ever been for Pakistan where mind games are the norm. India has always had an uneasy relationship with the US, never trusting them implicitly, leaning towards socialist Soviet Union which have proved to be a friend in times of crises.

An undercurrent of anti-Americanism is embedded in the psyches of Indians.

Despite this as the underlying credo, India normally behaves like this with its immediate neighbour Pakistan.

I thought the Indians loved us, how disappointing.