Is Cyber a new warfare? Debate (catch all)

[anonamatic]

Dave said this on his mailing list, & I thought it was pretty good although his examples weren't quite as hot. I wanted to pass it on because when I read it I thought of you rogues.

So what is a weapon of mass disruption? I would say one feature of Cyber is that it DIRECTLY attacks things that can only be indirectly attacked by other measures.

I'd use Stuxnet as an example of that, & then in something of a narrative slide, the HB Gary hacks, & then Dave's examples:

One, easy to see example, is political parties. Obama's campaign got hacked in 2008. Palin's mailspools leaked in 2008. No one seemed to care about either other than for the lulz..

The Stuxnet hacks were semi-kinetic, which is why I think they're a useful example.

[selil]

Dave said this on his mailing list, & I thought it was pretty good although his examples weren't quite as hot. I wanted to pass it on because when I read it I thought of you rogues.



I'd use Stuxnet as an example of that, & then in something of a narrative slide, the HB Gary hacks, & then Dave's examples:

The Stuxnet hacks were semi-kinetic, which is why I think they're a useful example.

Solar Sunrise is a great example of mass disruption of a nation state by a hacker. See the youtube video for how to stop a war.

The best kinetic example I know of to date is the 1982 is the Russian pipeline explosion was purposeful software exploitation.

That's one of the issues with network centric views of cyber. It ignores vast areas of cyberspace and the techno centric societies vulnerabilities. Up-supply-chain hacking is just now getting press or noticed. Yet it is a perfectly valid (and validated) method of attacking technology.