Is Cyber a new warfare? Debate (catch all)

[ganulv]

If cyberspace isn't a "place" then where are we fighting?

Maybe an office suite in Guangzhou, maybe a hotel in Odessa, maybe an apartment in Lagos. There is ultimately a physicality to be reckoned with. The EMS is in the physical world; where is “the” cyberspace?

[motorfirebox]

I would say cyberspace is unique due to its lack of a location attribute. Dismissing cyberspace as a domain makes it difficult to operate effectively because minor actions, in terms of physicality (intrusion into one server for only a few minutes, say) can have major ramifications. As a domain, cyberspace possesses points of vulnerability that simply don't appear on the maps of any other domain.

[Brett Patron]

Maybe an office suite in Guangzhou, maybe a hotel in Odessa, maybe an apartment in Lagos. There is ultimately a physicality to be reckoned with. The EMS is in the physical world; where is “the” cyberspace?

So, all you've done is say, that cyberspace operations are another dimension of the physical domains. Using your thought process, if I shoot an ICBM, the missle is the "domain" that just happens to depart a silo on land and impact a land/sea target elsewhere.

I'm not saying cyberspace is NOT a domain - academically it certainly is; that horse has left the barn. But as a "warfighting" domain, it is really not described in a way that distinguishes it from the physical domains.

[anonamatic]

Maybe an office suite in Guangzhou, maybe a hotel in Odessa, maybe an apartment in Lagos. There is ultimately a physicality to be reckoned with. The EMS is in the physical world; where is “the” cyberspace?

I can put myself any of those places, and all of them if I want to. In fact being lost in some digital rats nest is something of an advantage to anyone doing it.