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    I keep asking and it never gets an answer:

    What does "cyber" mean?

    If cyberspace is a domain, then we should be able to describe cogently what is meant by a cyber (sic) "war".

    Wouldn't "cyber-style" attack (absent any other useful definition) be the tipper that leads to a response decision, vice a whole "war"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brett Patron View Post
    I keep asking and it never gets an answer:

    What does "cyber" mean?

    If cyberspace is a domain, then we should be able to describe cogently what is meant by a cyber (sic) "war".

    Wouldn't "cyber-style" attack (absent any other useful definition) be the tipper that leads to a response decision, vice a whole "war"?
    Cyber literally means command and control. Less literally the domain in which all of that happens. Now describe sea without self referencing it or using a synonym.
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    Quote Originally Posted by selil View Post
    Cyber literally means command and control. Less literally the domain in which all of that happens. Now describe sea without self referencing it or using a synonym.
    No. Command and Control means "command and control". Otherwise the Air Force wouldn't have changed all their Comms folks into "Cyber Warriors".

    Seriously? Literally means? Where is the "literal" part?

    It's not called "the sea". It's called the "maritime domain" which is defined in JP 1-02 as "The oceans, seas, bays, estuaries, islands, coastal areas, and the
    airspace above these, including the littorals."

    And that is both "littoral" and "literal".

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    A mentor of mine sent this to me and I thought it was worth sharing...just to keep things in perspective...

    It's War!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyeKYQdYISg

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brett Patron View Post
    A mentor of mine sent this to me and I thought it was worth sharing...just to keep things in perspective...

    It's War!
    Quid Pro Quo, Clarice...
    A scrimmage in a Border Station
    A canter down some dark defile
    Two thousand pounds of education
    Drops to a ten-rupee jezail


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    Default MI6 attacks al-Qaeda in 'Operation Cupcake'

    Not a YouTube item, but a story that made me wonder:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...n-Cupcake.html

    Not really cupcakes, but computer code;
    ..When followers tried to download the 67-page colour magazine, instead of instructions about how to “Make a bomb in the Kitchen of your Mom” by “The AQ Chef” they were greeted with garbled computer code.
    Lookout Main Street Cupcakes in Hudson, Ohio. has someone told DHS?
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    It does not matter what one believes or knows when it comes to declaring such an act to be "war"; what matters is what one can prove.

    This is the new reality of the modern age, individuals can commit grievous crimes and states can commit acts of war....and what can the targeted party do in response???

    Wage war against Afghanistan and Iraq when one is attacked by men from Saudi Arabia who launched their attack from within the US??? That would be crazy.

    States have a challenge on their hands. States still believe that they have "monopolies" on things like "violence" or even "governance." Reality is that arguably states really don't have a monopoly on anything anymore, and any efforts to enforce such fictitious monopolies are sure to end in frustration.

    An end of state monopolies does not, however, mean an end of states, but it does mean the "market" for influence and power is evolving; who has the power, how power is applied, etc.

    The end of Standard Oil's monopoly did not mean the end of massive oil companies. The end of Ma Bell's monopoly did not mean the end of massive communications companies. But there was a natural evolution.

    So too is governance as we know it, and what makes a "state", undergoing evolution as well. The sooner we recognize and embrace the trends, the sooner states get back on track at being the go-to answer.

    How people identify is evolving. We all identify at multiple levels, but which of those identity levels is one willing to die for? For your family? Your religion? Your state? Perhaps some internal group that challenges your state? Or perhaps some external group that extends across multiple states?

    Cyber is just a domain that has become active. Far more interesting is how activity within that domain changes the rules of the game. To wage war against things we don't like but cannot control within that domain is playing by a rule book that no longer apples. What are the new rules? I don't know. No one does.
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