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    Quote Originally Posted by Fuchs View Post
    ...or maybe rather just with the other guys' leaders being in power and handing the spoils down to their followers.
    Fuchs, revolutionary insurgency does not of necessity bring better governance, more often is simply brings different goverance that is usually far less effective than what existed before.

    And, as you note, often the rising power simply falls in on the old system and the only real change is who benefits and who suffers.

    All true, yet that in no way undermines my proposition that conditions of insurgency grow when some distinct segment of the overall governed populace comes to perceive the current system as intolerable. Their are many reasons why men fight (most tied to youth and testosterone), but when societies grow restless in this way the most common drivers appear to be those more closely tied to the top of Maslow's hierarchy.
    • They do not perceive the governance to be acting in a manner they deem as appropriate
    • They do not recognize the right of some system of governance to rule or affect them at all
    • They do not feel that they are treated equally as other similarly siuated sub-populaces are
    • They do not feel that they receive justice under the rule of law as it is applied to them
    • And perhaps most importantly, they do not perceive themselves to have trusted, certain, and legal means consistent with their culture to affect governance driving the perceptions listed above.


    I bundle all of this up as "poor governance" (not to be confused with similar terms often used in COIN theory to describe what is more accurately ineffective governance). Effectiveness is nice and can be measured by anyone, but goodness is what fosters natural stability and can only be measured by those subject to said governance.

    But as you point out, often when such peceptions drive a populace to act, when they prevail they too often simply flip the table and become equally oppressive (and the cycle begins anew). King George is on record for his amazement that George Washington would not accept the role of "King." Noting that if he turned that down that he was "truly the greatest man of all."
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